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Ford F-150, Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, GMC Sierra 1500, Nissan Titan, Car Buying, Truck
#365 of 577 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [b2900]
Dec 19, 2007 (8:10 pm)
Interesting, your assumption is that Toyota which are close to becoming one of the biggest auto manufactures in North America with sales based on customer satisfaction, quality and higher resale will not be able to produce a full size pick up?
No, Toyota definately produced the bloated Tundra, which is truly full-sized. Just don't put any significant weight on the tailgate when you load the bed.
Second you state that the Toyota pickups of the past are not up to the task when it comes to work? Why then has the Tacoma still such a hot selling truck with one of the highest resale values in history.
I was referring to full size pickups that the previous Tundras were trying to be. If you truly want to compare the Tacoma to full sizes, like say an F-150, then, the F-150 has up to:
3000 lb payload and 11,000 lb towing capacity,
whereas the Tacoma has:
1350 lb payload and 3500 lb towing
which means the F-150 has up to three times the capability of the Tacoma. I'm sure the Tacoma is a fine truck, but if it's everything you say it is, why did Toyota feel the need to build the craptastic bloated Tundra?
I drove a 2006 Tundra 4x4 and I sold it privately in one day. It did lots of work, pulled my 26 foot travel trailer, my 20 foot boat, Numerous times in the mud and I did not have one issue with it.
This may seem incredibly unbelievable to you, but people do all that and more everyday with other brands of trucks, day in and day out, without issues. You may be right, though, the 2006 Tundra may indeed be a better truck than the 2007, and Toyota may indeed be "moving backwards."
#366 of 577 Re: TUNDRA [kgabehurt]
Dec 19, 2007 (8:27 pm)
The Tundra is a great vehicle. ALL Toyota has to do now is RAISE their cash incentives and they'll blow GM right out of the water.
Toyota already had to resort to the highest incentives of any manufacturer to move these things off the lot. When Toyota came up with "the truck that's changing it all," they probably didn't think that meant resorting to huge incentives to achieve sales that will likely still miss sales targets.
#367 of 577 Re: Looks like Toyota seriously misjudged this market [mrgroovski]
Dec 19, 2007 (8:33 pm)
I wouldn't exactly say their sales are tanking but they are not as robust as Toyota had hoped, no doubt.
You're right, they did design the truck for the weekend warriors. I drive a lot, and see quite a few Tundras here in LA. Not quite as many as new Silverados, but a lot. I would bet dollars to donuts that Toyota's Tundra sales in large metro areas are WAAAAY higher than in more traditional "working truck" regions of the country. And, I RARELY EVER SEE one loaded up heavy, in other words working. Hey, a LOT of work goes on in big cities, and lots of trucks are in hard use here. But not Tundras, interestingly. I am seeing 20:1 Big 3 trucks (new, not total) to Tundra in the work truck category. You see lots of Tundras on the road, but they are all empty, and usually with 1 commuter. Fords, Gms, Dodges have several guys inside and a bunch of gear/tools in the back, and maybe towing a utility trailer, obviously going to work. I suppose you can also say the Tundra is hard at work - taking the accountant to his office.
Yeah, that tailgate thing was a shocker. Until then I thought it was maybe just teething pains, but now it is just cheesy. The tailgate is not welded, it is held together with putty. Good gawd, look at the photos!
And another thing. When comparing problems of various models, it is important to keep something basic in mind re: sales figures. Assuming equal rates of problems of 2 vehicles, Vehicle A that sells three times more units than Vehicle B would be statistically expected to show 3 times more "hits" on a web site dedicated to discussing such issues. I've read posts here that say that Tundra must be superior, because the owners post fewer overall problems. Well, yeah, because there are three times fewer Tundra owners than GM or Ford!
#368 of 577 looks like
Dec 19, 2007 (9:29 pm)
alot of posters are paid by manufactures or are just flat out unimployed since they seem to have plenty of time to post there dribble. why would anyone care if someone else bought a gm,chevy,dodge,nisson,or toyota unless they had a vested interest in the outcome? get a clew people they are trying to manipulate you and i think the are succeeding.(ITS CALLED MARKETING) make your own choices by your own experiences and enjoy your choice.
#369 of 577 Re: looks like [h20]
Dec 19, 2007 (10:09 pm)
Cause we don't want anyone making the same mistake as you did.
I would think that would be obvious by now.
#370 of 577 Re: looks like [obyone]
Dec 19, 2007 (10:14 pm)
sure, no mistake made. and you will come back with a useless jab that means nothing and it goes on and on so what.
#371 of 577 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [mrgroovski]
Dec 20, 2007 (3:26 am)
I have not brought up the past problems with any of the big three trucks that would be fruitless, I know better then to throw stones in a glass house, however you simply seem to be a broken record on Tundra's issues that Toyota's are quickly addressing, after all it is a new model thus you will have new problems. I am a 53 year old self employed former big three owner. My past experience with these vehicles has resulted in me purchasing the Toyota products as an alternative. For me these are the facts, dealing with the sales rep with no admin fees to the fantastic resale on my trade that I never had with the big three to the service department with no horror stories rather total satisfaction makes me a happy Toyota owner. I rest my case, I would like nothing better than to see the Big Three learn from Toyota accomplishments. I refuse to bash the BigThree and the past problems they have and had. Personally my reaction was to purchase Toyota based on past experience.
#372 of 577 Re: looks like [h20]
Dec 20, 2007 (8:23 am)
Your right it will never stop the toyota bashers will always be the way they are.They must have in their tiny minds they are the savior on man kind.I think they know they made a mistake buying chev. & gmc.So it makes them feel better to talk about tundra. I looked on the chev/gm forum.There was a poster with a 2007 truck having fuel problems truck was running rough.instead of helping him some posters started saying they did'nt have problems another compared him to a troll.they are in total dienal that their trucks have trouble too.The best way is not to reply to them they are in a world of their own.I want ever buy another chev. / gm.
#373 of 577 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [b2900]
Dec 20, 2007 (8:49 am)
Now folks is tellin that them hi-lux ones is fit for work? Fact is that them tundra ones just won't work that farm without bustin up quick. Most folks think that workin them trucks is drivin them ones to work! Well, we haul with them trucks, we haul with them ones day after day and year after year. We need full size trucks with haul, not trucks winner no magazine awards for bustin tailgates off! What part of this is folks not gettin? Is any folk out there really workin them tundra ones now? Bet they break quickest if them ones are. Facts is facts on this one now. Good luck with this one now!
#374 of 577 Re: looks like [mule4]
Dec 20, 2007 (10:50 am)
In the 7 years that I've posted here, there has been only one individual that came close to being called a troll for complaining about his GMC. I posted solutions to his problems and never heard back from him again. If you know of more incidents where GM owners have been called a troll for posting their problems could you provide a link? GM owners are not in the habit of living in denial.
Want to know the quickest way to be called a troll? Post a Tundra recall in the Tundra forum.