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Full-size pickup sales - F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer??

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#358 of 550 Re: TUNDRA [kgabehurt] by obyone Dec 19, 2007 (11:52 am)
Replying to: kgabehurt (Dec 19, 2007 10:21 am) "But they're afraid of the anti-Asian/Japanese back lash however. "   You've got to be kidding right?   "ALL Toyota has to do now is RAISE their cash incentives and they'll blow GM right out of the water."   What?? $6K isn't enough? Now I understand where the Kool-Aid comments come from...
#359 of 550 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [b2900] by mrgroovski Dec 19, 2007 (12:47 pm)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 19, 2007 4:11 am) Well, the Tundra, and it's predecessor have been around 16 years now, without makiking nary a dent in the domestic full-sized market. Toyota finally learned that 7/8ths of a truck wasn't going to cut it, so, they came out with this bloated Tundra, with some apparent intial success. People are discovering that if you actually want to use these trucks, however, they aren't up to the task, just like the predecessors weren't.   I'm guessing Toyota won't come out with a bed with enough sheet metal and a truck frame up to the task of actually being used coupled with a totally debugged truck until 2010/2011. If they can deal with the coming sales decline in 2008/2009 without giving up on their quest, they'll need until 2016 at least to live down the bad reputation the current trucks are building up and lots of bucks for marketing. With very high loyalty rates for the Big 3, especially Chevy, it will take some suicidal moves or lack of competition by them, or a long, slow grind by Toyota to ever get close to becoming #1. They'll have to be consistently better, but they haven't displayed that they are up for it in the full-sized truck segment for the past 16 years. Replies to this message: b2900 (Dec 19, 2007 1:34 pm) obyone (Dec 19, 2007 2:31 pm) mule4 (Dec 19, 2007 5:15 pm) and 1 more... mrgroovski (Dec 19, 2007 7:10 pm) b2900 (Dec 20, 2007 2:26 am) and 2 more... farmerrube (Dec 20, 2007 7:49 am)
#360 of 550 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [mrgroovski] by b2900 Dec 19, 2007 (1:34 pm)
Replying to: mrgroovski (Dec 19, 2007 12:47 pm) Interesting, your assumption is that Toyota which are close to becoming one of the biggest auto manufactures in North America with sales based on customer satisfaction, quality and higher resale will not be able to produce a full size pick up?   Second you state that the Toyota pickups of the past are not up to the task when it comes to work? Why then has the Tacoma still such a hot selling truck with one of the highest resale values in history. I drove a 2006 Tundra 4x4 and I sold it privately in one day. It did lots of work, pulled my 26 foot travel trailer, my 20 foot boat, Numerous times in the mud and I did not have one issue with it.   Consumers report is as follows. http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/long-term-test-2005-toyota-tacoma-cga- .htm Replies to this message: obyone (Dec 19, 2007 2:31 pm) mule4 (Dec 19, 2007 5:15 pm) obyone (Dec 19, 2007 6:41 pm) mrgroovski (Dec 19, 2007 7:10 pm) b2900 (Dec 20, 2007 2:26 am) 1offroader (Dec 21, 2007 8:26 am) and 1 more... farmerrube (Dec 20, 2007 7:49 am)
#361 of 550 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [b2900] by obyone Dec 19, 2007 (2:31 pm)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 19, 2007 1:34 pm) Consumer auto guide by how stuff works? What is that suppose to be?   2006 Tundra is a winner compared to the 2007. I would've kept it if I were you. At least you know that your torque converter will last, your tailgate won't crack nor do you have to worry about your driveshaft being recalled. Replies to this message: mule4 (Dec 19, 2007 5:15 pm) obyone (Dec 19, 2007 6:41 pm)
#362 of 550 Re: TUNDRA [kgabehurt] by gaspasser2 Dec 19, 2007 (2:53 pm)
Replying to: kgabehurt (Dec 19, 2007 10:21 am) I'm an adult, damn it! I'm (almost) 40.   I absolutely agree that Toyota is way better company than GM but this particular truck is not up to the usual Toyota standard. As for autos, Toyota is great like Honda, but this new Tundra is all hype as of now. It definitely has the potential to be great but it is too new and has some issues that need resolving. The Big 3 should not relax. This is all good for us comsumers.   But for now, if I have to buy, I'd go with a Chevy or GM. Maybe in a few years, Toyota will surpass GM.
#363 of 550 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [obyone] by mule4 Dec 19, 2007 (5:15 pm)
Replying to: obyone (Dec 19, 2007 2:31 pm) Why don'.t all of the folks that hate toyota so bad go look at the problems gm & chev. are having on their forums The 2007 & 2008 Are having as many things going wrong that toyota is having.Maybe you all don.t want to know.Your not going to change anybodys mind.Lots of people had rather drive a tunder with problems than gm & chev with their problems. You all act like a bunch of kids Saying mine is better than yours THINK ABOUT IT. Men or kids Replies to this message: obyone (Dec 19, 2007 6:41 pm)
#364 of 550 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [mule4] by obyone Dec 19, 2007 (6:41 pm)
Replying to: mule4 (Dec 19, 2007 5:15 pm) The arguments made against the Tundra is to assist people in deciding whether to pull the trigger on a Tundra or not. I've seen numerous posts where potential buyers are now waiting to see how Toyota addresses the problems surrounding the Tundra. I don't see anything childish in that.
#365 of 550 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [b2900] by mrgroovski Dec 19, 2007 (7:10 pm)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 19, 2007 1:34 pm) Interesting, your assumption is that Toyota which are close to becoming one of the biggest auto manufactures in North America with sales based on customer satisfaction, quality and higher resale will not be able to produce a full size pick up?   No, Toyota definately produced the bloated Tundra, which is truly full-sized. Just don't put any significant weight on the tailgate when you load the bed.    Second you state that the Toyota pickups of the past are not up to the task when it comes to work? Why then has the Tacoma still such a hot selling truck with one of the highest resale values in history.   I was referring to full size pickups that the previous Tundras were trying to be. If you truly want to compare the Tacoma to full sizes, like say an F-150, then, the F-150 has up to:   3000 lb payload and 11,000 lb towing capacity,   whereas the Tacoma has:   1350 lb payload and 3500 lb towing   which means the F-150 has up to three times the capability of the Tacoma. I'm sure the Tacoma is a fine truck, but if it's everything you say it is, why did Toyota feel the need to build the craptastic bloated Tundra?   I drove a 2006 Tundra 4x4 and I sold it privately in one day. It did lots of work, pulled my 26 foot travel trailer, my 20 foot boat, Numerous times in the mud and I did not have one issue with it.   This may seem incredibly unbelievable to you, but people do all that and more everyday with other brands of trucks, day in and day out, without issues. You may be right, though, the 2006 Tundra may indeed be a better truck than the 2007, and Toyota may indeed be "moving backwards." Replies to this message: b2900 (Dec 20, 2007 2:26 am) 1offroader (Dec 21, 2007 8:26 am) b2900 (Dec 21, 2007 12:52 pm)
#366 of 550 Re: TUNDRA [kgabehurt] by mrgroovski Dec 19, 2007 (7:27 pm)
Replying to: kgabehurt (Dec 19, 2007 10:21 am) The Tundra is a great vehicle. ALL Toyota has to do now is RAISE their cash incentives and they'll blow GM right out of the water.   Toyota already had to resort to the highest incentives of any manufacturer to move these things off the lot. When Toyota came up with "the truck that's changing it all," they probably didn't think that meant resorting to huge incentives to achieve sales that will likely still miss sales targets.
#367 of 550 Re: Looks like Toyota seriously misjudged this market [mrgroovski] by 1offroader Dec 19, 2007 (7:33 pm)
Replying to: mrgroovski (Dec 16, 2007 9:49 am) Groovski I wouldn't exactly say their sales are tanking but they are not as robust as Toyota had hoped, no doubt.   You're right, they did design the truck for the weekend warriors. I drive a lot, and see quite a few Tundras here in LA. Not quite as many as new Silverados, but a lot. I would bet dollars to donuts that Toyota's Tundra sales in large metro areas are WAAAAY higher than in more traditional "working truck" regions of the country. And, I RARELY EVER SEE one loaded up heavy, in other words working. Hey, a LOT of work goes on in big cities, and lots of trucks are in hard use here. But not Tundras, interestingly. I am seeing 20:1 Big 3 trucks (new, not total) to Tundra in the work truck category. You see lots of Tundras on the road, but they are all empty, and usually with 1 commuter. Fords, Gms, Dodges have several guys inside and a bunch of gear/tools in the back, and maybe towing a utility trailer, obviously going to work. I suppose you can also say the Tundra is hard at work - taking the accountant to his office.   Yeah, that tailgate thing was a shocker. Until then I thought it was maybe just teething pains, but now it is just cheesy. The tailgate is not welded, it is held together with putty. Good gawd, look at the photos!   And another thing. When comparing problems of various models, it is important to keep something basic in mind re: sales figures. Assuming equal rates of problems of 2 vehicles, Vehicle A that sells three times more units than Vehicle B would be statistically expected to show 3 times more "hits" on a web site dedicated to discussing such issues. I've read posts here that say that Tundra must be superior, because the owners post fewer overall problems. Well, yeah, because there are three times fewer Tundra owners than GM or Ford!   1offroader

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