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#301 of 577 It's that time... October sales
by kcram HOST
Nov 01, 2007 (1:12 pm)
Oct 07 / Oct 06 / +/- / CY 2007 / CY 2006 / +/-
F-Series /51,741 / 55,947 / -7.5 / 588,952 / 672,732 / -12.5
Silverado /48,716 / 52,409 / -10.6 / 526,575 / 539,310 / -2.4
Ram /24,711 / 28,251 / -13.0 / 301,689 / 303,476 / -1.0
Sierra /17,417 / 18,080 / -7.4 / 174,621 / 177,813 / -1.8
Tundra /17,868 / 10,046 / 71.0 / 162,348 / 101,571 / 59.2
Titan / 5,001 / 5,499 / -12.6 / 55,960 / 61,750 / -9.7
Mark LT / 666 / 946 / -29.6 / 7,319 / 10,668 / -31.4
Ford needs three things:
1 - a quick strike-free UAW negotiation
2 - a quick end to the UAW/International strike (to keep Super Duty trucks going)
3 - a redesigned 2009 F150 that people will want over the competition.
On that third point, Ford can't fall short. The new Silverado/Sierra and Tundra have a year head start. Dodge will release the new Ram at the same time as the F150. The bar is set at a level Ford has never seen before, and their #1 status is definitely at risk.
kcram - Pickups Host
#302 of 577 Re: F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?? [h20]
Nov 01, 2007 (7:59 pm)
There is an interesting link to an audio interview at the NPR web site. An official with Consumer Reports explains why they give the 2007 Tundra a "Not Recommended" rating, along with the Camry V-6, and the Lexus GS. He says this is unusual, they usually give Toyota vehicles a "Recommended" rating. He also says it is based on surveys of ACTUAL OWNERS. So, according to CR, actual 2007 Tundra owners are complaining about reliability, esp. the
V-8 4x4 model.
This is a sign of hubris that I mentioned in a previous post. It is very predictable in a company that has developed a good reputation, and then has grown faster that it is capable of sustaining at a high quality level. Toyota is coasting on its reputation, and quality is suffering. It has made the all-too-common mistake of thinking that whatever it throws out there people will stand in line to buy. Not! Toyota is not unique in that respect, GM and Ford have seen it too, but they have turned the quality corner that Toyota is just now entering. Toyota is learing a tough lesson in the full size truck market, traditionally the hardest market to crack which is the reason they've done so poorly there in the past (T100, earlier Tundra).
Sales will suffer over what they should have been, and they now have catching up to do instead of building on their solid reputation.
Don't bother pointing to the big "increase" in Tundra sales from last year, that is like comparing grapes to watermelons. The previous Tundra was nowhere near the capability of a full size truck. The early model had such poor sales, numbers could only go up from there.
#303 of 577 No Vehicle is Perfect But Resale Value is Better for Japenese Autos
Nov 02, 2007 (7:03 pm)
In response to everyone that talks about the quality of Toyotas. I bought a new 2001 Cadillac Seville Sls a $45,000
car kept it 3 years had four inches of water get in it because the body wasn't sealed , had a wheel bearing go out,had instrument cluster replaced, had computer problems, had seat heaters go bad,the car was 3 years old looked great had 65000 miles on it could only get $10,500 trade in. Replaced it with a Nissan 2005 Pathfinder has been a great car no problems bought a new 2004 chevrolet Z71 had nothing but problems had rear end put replaced , had transmiision problems, Had instrument cluster problems, had drive shaft problems, had steering column problems, got rid of truck at 30,000 miles because I was gun shy of it, bought a new Toyota Tundra problems had that I don't like the bed shakes and vibration and I was told by Toyota dealer that Toyota was supposed to come out with a bulletin to fix problem the Toyota does have good performance I pulled a 9500lb. 34ft Jayco Eagle camper in the Ozark Mountains and it did as good of job as aDodge Diesel that I had before I bought The Chevrolet anyone can go to chevrolet, ford and dodge forums and they are having lots of problems too, But I believe the japenese automobiles have a better resale value than the big 3
#304 of 577 Re: No Vehicle is Perfect But Resale Value is Better for Japenese Autos [mule2]
Nov 02, 2007 (9:37 pm)
I agree, resale may be better, but I keep cars a long time, resale is always minimal for me anyway. Lots of vehicles have problems, but as a former Toyota pickup owner I can attest they also have lots of problems. I decided to try something different this time around. I have no brand loyalty.
What makes me LOL are the posters who seem to worship at the "Toyota quality" altar, as if they can do no wrong. Toyota is just like the rest, they have feet of clay.
Message to all auto makers - when you work the bugs out of a particular component and it is reliable and the does the job - engine, transmission, whatever - LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE! We don't need change just for the sake of change. Especially truck buyers. If you feel you must change something, change the body style or something that doesn't compromise the function of the vehicle. Keeping a rugged component also will reduce your cost - in design, production, and minimal warranty service. It will INCREASE SALES - buyers will know that the components are durable and time-tested, and will reward you accordingly with their purchases.
Got that? Good.
#305 of 577 1offroader I agree with you.
Nov 03, 2007 (11:45 am)
A prime examble Is when ford replaced the 7.3 diesal with the 6.0 which had problems. I started to buy 1 before i bought a chev. z71 witch was a lemon.A friend that worked in service dept. told me about them. I tried to find a 7.3 but could'nt.I'm not good on spelling.
#306 of 577 Re: No Vehicle is Perfect But Resale Value is Better for Japenese Autos [1o
Nov 03, 2007 (12:10 pm)
AMEN to that...
#307 of 577 Like a Swiss Army Knife
Nov 04, 2007 (6:55 pm)
We're looking for a new pickup for our company. It will be used only occasionally during the week on business and the rest of the time will be used for weekend play stuff. Because of that I am going to spec it out with so I would enjoy driving it on weekends. I first looked at the F150. Not only do they seem to have a higher MSRP than Chevy when you compare apples to apples (e.g., XLT with big V8, towing, leather, and rear window defroster) they are clearly a step behind GM in interior packaging, engine noise, and ride, IMHO. Clearly, Ford has a lot of catching up to do.
The Chevy/GM rode much better than comparably equipped Fords, had much less engine roar, wind noise, and so forth.
I was reluctant to even step foot into a Toyota for lots of reasons, some good, some bad. But today, I test drove a new Tundra with the regular cab. Fantastic interior for a basic truck, lots of places to store change, sunglasses, etc., nice seating, nice uncluttered dash, nice ride, etc. I was also impressed by the high level of tech "content" which they talk about: the 10"+ pinion gear, the four piston disc brakes, warming of the ATF fluid, the built-in tow receiver, and so forth. There was even adequate room behind the front seat for a couple of canvas overnight bags which might mean you wouldn't have to buy an Extended Cab. On this basic truck, everything was standard: the limited slip, the side curtain air bags, power windows and locks, their version of GM's Stabiltrak, a dash mounted 4WD/2WD selector, a 5 or even 6 speed tranny, tow package, and on and on. They don't start with a "work truck" and then make you build it up. All in all this truck seemed to be the Swiss Army knife of pickups.
Now, which truck are we going to buy? Well, probably a GM because like most Americans of a certain age, I want what I want. If I don't spec them, I don't want to have options forced on me. As long as I can take delivery by the end of December (for tax reasons) I can wait. For example, I don't need the $3000 extra 5.7 but I would like the front buckets. Unfortunatley, you can't get leather and buckes without ordering the equally expensive TRD package. But even if I could disaggregate their packaging, apparently, a customer can't "order" a Tundra to his spec. This is a shame. It can't be attributed to long lead times back in Japan for what is touted as an "American built truck." I really do want to try to buy one of these but not if I have to buy 6K of engine and TRD decals that will have negative value to me. (A 5.7 engine having negative value? Sure, poorer gas mileage is costly.) Why doesn't Toyota do away with this anti-ordering policy and let us order US-built product from US plants? I think that the additonal step in their distribution system (i.e., regional distributors,) as they seek to minimize variation and more importantly force customers into higher profit margin "packages" may be responsible for this.
#308 of 577 Ordering a tundra.
Nov 05, 2007 (7:35 am)
I ordered a new tundra with the options i wanted on it took about 30 days.I ordered in april from landers toyota in little rock ar.
#309 of 577 Re: Like a Swiss Army Knife [blckislandguy]
Nov 05, 2007 (9:39 am)
I to ordered my Tundra and was able to get exactly what I wanted.
#310 of 577 Re: Like a Swiss Army Knife [b2900]
Nov 05, 2007 (8:51 pm)
Thanks. But here is my story.
All I want is a basic cab, long bed, leather, buckets, and the Lexus 4.7 engine. Can I get that? No. Can I get it if I forget about the leather and buckets? No. I can only get it with a $3,000 5.7 engine with no buckets and no leather. Do I really need a humongus 5.7 engine that costs 3K extra and gets 2MPG worse mileage to haul lobster pots around Block Island, RI (figure 3 miles by 7 miles)?
I am told that Toyota has no "allocations" to build any non-5.7 basic cab trucks, with or without leather and buckets. Doesn't make any sense to me either.
Any Chevy dealer in New England will take an invoice price deal and order what I want. Guess where I am going?