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#292 of 577 Re: F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?? [b2900]
Oct 29, 2007 (7:01 pm)
I had just the opposite experience as you. Bought my first Toyota 4x4 in 1985, really liked it. Based on my experience with my '85, I eagerly bought another in 1992, and after quite a few problems, WORSE quality than my 1985, factory recalls, and crummy dealer service I said not again this time around. Why should a vehicle get worse from 1985 to 1992? With 7 more years of experience under their belt, it should have been significantly better.
Quality? 1985 yes, 1992 no. The quality trend is in the wrong direction. CR just verified my attitude, but I don't pay a whole lotta attention to magazine reports. I trust my own eyes and judgment much more, having worked on cars and trucks for the last 35 years. Resale? Doesn't matter much to me, I tend to keep a vehicle for a long time, and resale is usually pretty low by then on anything no matter who makes it.
Looked at the Tundra frame, interior, exterior and it didn't make the grade, and they couldn't make the sale to me. I'm absolutely not saying I'll never buy another Toyota, I might, but they have a looooong way to go to get me to return to buy a full size p'up. The Big 3 offerings aren't perfect, nothing is, but I see lots of ancient Chevys, Dodges, & Fords still hard at work after years of loyal service to their owners. The 2007 Tundra? How many will be on the road in 20-25 years? Few, if any, I'm guessing.
But good luck w/yours, I really do hope it works out for you. Compettiton is good for the industry, and if it serves to shake things up a bit I'm all for it.
#293 of 577 Re: F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?? [obyone]
Oct 29, 2007 (7:08 pm)
i'm not sure how you get expect from "not yet" but you know best. btw i was just having a conversation with another person on this site. don't understand your motivations to attack and be rude? never mind please don't respond.
#294 of 577 Re: F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?? [1offroader]
Oct 29, 2007 (7:15 pm)
i may not agree with all you have said but at least your honest and you make good points. no truck/car is perfict.
#295 of 577 Resale Value.
Oct 30, 2007 (6:02 am)
Resale is based on 2 things, Supply and Demand.
Toyotas have higher resale value right now because the never made huge numbers of trucks. Even 250,000 per year is not a big number compared to what the Big 3 especially Ford and GM have been churning out over 30 years.
The Ford and GM trucks lower resale value is solely a reflection of lower perceived quality. Even if they were perfect and ran for 500,000 miles there are still so many of them out there.
Here in NJ i OFTEN seen F-series and GM trucks from the 70s and 80s on the road. I don't hardly ever see an older Toyota truck on the road.
#296 of 577 Re: Resale Value. [mschmal]
Oct 30, 2007 (8:28 am)
" I don't hardly ever see an older Toyota truck on the road."
I remember owning a Toyota back in the 70's. The complaint I had is similar to what some of the new Tundra owners are complaining about which is that the body metal is soft and will dent easily. Back then I heard that they were made out of recycled beer cans. I guess there might be some truth to that.
#297 of 577 Re: F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?? [h20]
Oct 30, 2007 (8:38 am)
Main Entry: 1yet
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English gīet; akin to OldFrisian ieta yet
Date: before 12th century
1 a: in addition : besides 2 a (1): up to now : so far —often used to imply the negative of a following infinitive
(2): at this or that time : so soon as now b: continuously up to the present or a specified time : still c: at a future time : eventually
Here's the definition of yet and if you input the definition into your statement you will get a "not at this or that time". So my question was do you expect it in the future? That was based on your statement.
If you believe my post was an attack, I suggest you report it to a host. I asked a question and you think its an attack? You're too funny...
#298 of 577 Re: F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?? [obyone]
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
Oct 30, 2007 (10:56 am)
I'm reporting it to a host... me.
The sarcasm isn't necessary... we all know what the word means. Keep the debate on a more mature level, please.
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#299 of 577 Re: Resale Value. [mschmal]
Oct 30, 2007 (12:55 pm)
I beg to differ with you. My wife is a sales rep that puts alot of miles on her Camry and she trades every two years ..She has had some 11 Toyotas and there has never been a trade in where we felt offended Actually it is exactly the opposite were always amazed what they offer her as her cars are high mileage. As well there is not two weeks after the trade that we get a call for the new owners of her cars.
In all I was a die hard Ford man and still have a hot rod Ford.. It was her that got me to at least try one and I am impressed. My last 2004 Tundra wil 120KM that I paid $26K for I was given$18K on a trade. My last Ford that was close to the same price and age and mileage the Ford dealer offers me $10K on a trade?????
#301 of 577 It's that time... October sales
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
Nov 01, 2007 (12:12 pm)
Oct 07 / Oct 06 / +/- / CY 2007 / CY 2006 / +/-
F-Series /51,741 / 55,947 / -7.5 / 588,952 / 672,732 / -12.5
Silverado /48,716 / 52,409 / -10.6 / 526,575 / 539,310 / -2.4
Ram /24,711 / 28,251 / -13.0 / 301,689 / 303,476 / -1.0
Sierra /17,417 / 18,080 / -7.4 / 174,621 / 177,813 / -1.8
Tundra /17,868 / 10,046 / 71.0 / 162,348 / 101,571 / 59.2
Titan / 5,001 / 5,499 / -12.6 / 55,960 / 61,750 / -9.7
Mark LT / 666 / 946 / -29.6 / 7,319 / 10,668 / -31.4
Ford needs three things:
1 - a quick strike-free UAW negotiation
2 - a quick end to the UAW/International strike (to keep Super Duty trucks going)
3 - a redesigned 2009 F150 that people will want over the competition.
On that third point, Ford can't fall short. The new Silverado/Sierra and Tundra have a year head start. Dodge will release the new Ram at the same time as the F150. The bar is set at a level Ford has never seen before, and their #1 status is definitely at risk.
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