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Ford F-150, Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, GMC Sierra 1500, Nissan Titan, Car Buying, Truck
#276 of 577 Re: As long as [anythingbuttoy]
Oct 26, 2007 (4:42 pm)
Increasing steadily for 14 years? How many T100's did Toyota sell in 1993, Tundra's in 2000? At this rate, how many Tundra's will sell in 2015? 2020? Maybe 300K? And you think this will threaten the domestic truck market?
Who cares about 1993 sales wnd who cares about 'threatening' anybody. It's only about money...profits...cash... nothing more. It's just business.
All the rest is fanboi hoohaa.
It's a huge market with plenty of profit potential for every company that wants to make the effort to put out a competitive product. Now change some of the parameters like send fuel up to $6 a gal and have a lot of the 'recreational' truck buyers begin walking away then it might become messy. Until then everybody is on their toes, if they weren't already. There are 4 fulltime players now instead of 3.
As regards to the first year issues you mentioned yes Toyota owes it to the purchasers to 'address' the issues to try to keep them as owners for life like a lot of the Corolla and Camry owners. Thye 'bed bounce' is a good example since enough people are reporting about it that it's a real issue. OTOH there are a bunch of owners who are not experiencing it all. Weird. Some have resolved the problems themselves and others cannot. More data nees to be gathered to determine the actual cause(s). This is something Toyota should do for the satisfaction of those involved. Again time will tell on this.
To be revisited in 3 and 5 and 7 yrs from now.
#277 of 577 Re: As long as [kdhspyder]
Oct 26, 2007 (5:01 pm)
There are 4 fulltime players now instead of 3.
Aren't you forgetting Nissan? If 200K/yr is worthy of being considered a player, then Nissan needs to be considered one as well. I would buy a Titan before I bought a Tundra any day. They are nice trucks, but not as nice as GM/F/D.
#278 of 577 Re: As long as [anythingbuttoy]
Oct 26, 2007 (5:26 pm)
Nissan has a full sized truck but only with one engine and two cabs. It won't reach 70000 units. At 125,000 units last year and only limited configurations Toyota was not a major player either.
#279 of 577 Re: As long as [kdhspyder]
Oct 26, 2007 (5:52 pm)
So, 70K and 125K is not a "major" player but 200K is?
Let's see. 75K, 125K, 200K.................900K Seems like Tundra is closer to a "minor" player than a "Major" player to me.
#281 of 577 Re: As long as [anythingbuttoy]
Oct 26, 2007 (6:32 pm)
It's not even so much the volume. It's the breadth of the lineup and the volume. But that's just my own view. There are others for sure.
Toyota is definitely a minor player at present no question. In comparison to the Big Two it's small. It's not so small in relation to Dodge though. But in any event it still only comes down to profits and bottom line. All 4 are likely to be HUGELY profitable in this segment.