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Pickups Ford F-Series Full-size pickup sales - F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer??
551 messages, Last post on Dec 07, 2009 at 9:24 PM
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Please, Toyota is boring to talk about. Mark. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 22, 2007 8:50 pm) |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 19, 2007 9:31 pm)
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Replying to: bugchucker (Oct 24, 2007 10:18 am) They are NOT the only one with top ratings in front crash test ratings, in fact, they are only "as good" as the others in IIHS and WORSE than everyone else in the NHTSA tests. As for the rear crash tests? Maybe, but if they are it's most likely due to the rear frame, bed and tailgate being one big "Crumple Zone"... 
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Replying to: anythingbuttoy (Oct 24, 2007 3:26 pm) Since Ford has already 'aced' the tests with the Taurus/Sable they know how to get the top marks so I'd expect the new F150 next year to also be on top. Dodge? What's up with GM though? How long will it sit on the bottom due to the poor 'Classic' rating?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 24, 2007 3:47 pm) Do you think good rear crash test ratings will offset the negative perception of the Tundra that is getting worse by the day? How do you think the latest Quality Issue will affect sales for the remaining 2007's and 2008's? I am assuming you do know about the Tailgate issue, right? http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/22/toyota-tundra-hit-with-two-more-quality-issue- s/ So, in less than a year into it's first year, the Tundra has had the following issues: 1. Camshaft issue, resolved but number of remaining potentially affected camshafts still out there is still unknown. 2. Tranny Issue (Rumble Strip). Seems to be the Torque Converter. Now Toyota is no longer replacing entire tranny, just the TC. 3. Interior painted dash, complaints of paint rubbing off the dash and other interior panels has many owners quite upset. 4. Other interior quality issues: air vent, clock, stereo...etc 5. Exterior paint quality, seems people are upset about how easily it is scratched. 6. Exterior/bed sheet metal is thin and dents easily. I saw one pic that showed 2" depressions in bed floor from hauling an ATV. 7. Engine noise (sounds like a diesel). 8. Bed Bounce. Ride quality is a problem, much worse than other trucks. 9. TripleTech frame not being perceived as being as good as FBF by most owners, probably mostly due to #8 above. 10. Remote Start has most every Tundra owner (that has it) upset and wishing they didn't get it and urge others to buy aftermarket. Did I miss any? I am sure I did. Anyway, like I said, don't you agree that this many quality issues in the first year of a huge new vehicle launch is a problem that will affect the sales and success of the Tundra? Do you really think the Tundra will continue to see the sales growth with so many owners upset with the recent downward trend in quality from Toyota? |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 24, 2007 3:47 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Oct 24, 2007 5:13 pm) The IIHS test, which is the standard test in the rest of the world also, uses a 40% offset ( as if two drivers swerved out of the way but still hit headon about 40% of the way across the front of the vehicle ) and at a higher speed. This type of collision tends to tear the vehicles apart with multi-directional forces not just forward and back. It also throws the occupants around inside the cabin more than the NHTSA test, again not just forward and back. The side tests are a huge failing of the NHTSA and they recognize it. Their barrier simulates an auto crashing into the side impact door beam of the vehicle being tested. That happens to be the strongest part of the vehicle on the side. The IIHS test simulates an SUV or truck front end crashing through the window glass of an auto or other vehicle. The barrier is much larger and much higher up the side of the impacted vehicle. There is no comparison between these two tests. The NHTSA has no test at all for rearend collisions. The IIHS two years ago instituted this test to try to reduce or to eliminate the risk of heck injuries and whiplash. It first measures the geometry of the head restrains, if there are any. some GM vehicles don't have head restraints in all seating positions. Then the newest technology has the seat and headrest move forward with the passenger in the event of a rearend collision so that when the seatbelts and normal forces bring the head and neck backward that distance is not too great and the headreast is positioned correctly to 'catch' the 'whipping' head with less force. No vehicle can get a top rating unless it gets top scores on all three tests. In addition now, ESC has to be at least available for the IIHS criteria. Again the NHTSA says nothing about ESC. Although ESC will be mandated for all vehicles on the road by 2012. That's the summary of the tests. The Tundra and the F150 and the Titan and the Ram all get top marks in the 40% offset frontal crash test. None of the trucks have been tested for side impact crashes. Only the Tundra gets a top mark in the Rear crash test. Only the Tundra has ESC ( VSC ) standard on every model. For some reason GM has not provided any of its new GMT900s to the IIHS for testing. Thus the only rating shown there is for the 90's technology GMT800s, the 'Classics'. It has the worst performance of all the trucks.
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Replying to: anythingbuttoy (Oct 24, 2007 4:40 pm) The little things will get corrected and the basic superior performance and safety will shine through. Several months ago I said that this was a marathon not a sprint. 10 yrs from now we'll reassess.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 24, 2007 7:12 pm) Also, what does either the IIHS and NHSTA say about the vehicle's ability to automatically call for emergency help once the crash occurs and the occupants are injured or dying? Zip, that's what. I'll take that over a one-star difference any day of the week. If IIHS and NHTSA were really interested in the ultimate passenger safety, that point would be factored into the equation. All the ratings in the world don't mean squat once the crash occurs and someone is bleeding and unconscious. From then on, it's up to God and OnStar to save your arse. Or just God, if you don't have OnStar. 1offroader |
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