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#236 of 577 A Not-So-Happy Ford-to-Toyota Convert
Oct 21, 2007 (6:56 am)
So Doc and Spyder,
It seems not all of your Ford to Toyota converts are all too happy with their decision. How will this affect sales conquests in the future as more and more people see the "real" Tundra?
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/114504-poor-paint-quality-new-2007-- tundra/ See Post #8:
"Ultra thin paint on all these things. If you look at it funny it will leave a scratch down to the primer. Worst paint job on any new vehicle I have ever owned.
Between the bad paint, painted dash, cheap plastics, collapsing tailgates, spongy soft bed, etc...and not counting for the real problems people are having with these things...I am official selling mine. I've spent 3 weekends installing amps, speakers, nav, etc. and unless somebody wants to pay for it I will be taking it out. Only good news is that it comes out in 1/10 the time it went in.
I have owned Ford trucks in the past and never had the issues with them I've had with this Junkra. I admit I like the look and power...but I want a truck I can use and not have to worry about. I never worried about my Ford truck.
Whenever Toyota gets the kinks worked out I may be back. But then again I may not since I will be losing money on this POS.
PS you can check my prior posts if you think I'm trolling. I own this thing and I'm really just sick of worrying about it. I want a truck that will give me piece of mind and the new Tundra is not it.
Toyota is human too I guess."
Oct 21, 2007 (12:16 pm)
Pointing out posts on other sites has nothing to do with sales... don't be the one that gets this discussion closed down too.
kcram - Pickups Host
#238 of 577 I think the point being made here is
Oct 21, 2007 (12:42 pm)
that the Tundra sales will have absolutely no impact whether the Ford F150 retains its position or not. Some Toyota zealots tend to believe that it will but are seriously kidding themselves.
#240 of 577 Re: Marketing 101 [kdhspyder]
Oct 21, 2007 (4:49 pm)
I'd love to have you though address my two major points.
1) How does the extra "step" in their distribution system add any value to the consumer? Seems to me that it doesn't take a Harvard MBA to realize that this extra layer of overhead simply adds cost. Monopolies never benefit anyone except the monopolists. Isn't the France family of NASCAR fame the Southeast "distributor"?
2) Rather than having quasi-monopolistic "distributors" configure the vehicles for their areas, I'd feel a lot better if individual consumers, real live consumers, could pick and choose what they options they wanted to buy. I realize that this is bottoms-up approach is alien to the Japanese cultural system but it seems to work well here. You might find for example that a lot of NYC customers have second homes up in the Adirondacks or Catskills. Or maybe out on the Islands (Fishers, Block Island, Nantucket, etc.) and would rather order, buy and have their 4X4 Tundra serviced at their home dealer in NYC than at a dealer in upstate NY or in RI.
How Toyota decides to do business is, of course, their business. But for American truck buyers who are used to an open spec book (I think you can even get leather as an option on the Chevy 1500 Work Truck!) and direct factory to dealer pricing, this may not be the best approach.
#241 of 577 Re: A Not-So-Happy Ford-to-Toyota Convert [anythingbuttoy]
Oct 21, 2007 (5:29 pm)
Had someone tell me the other day that they did not like anything at all about toyota tundra or (toadra) yet they bought one? go figure. Don't believe everything you here on the internet. What a shame.Do reaserch consider your options and make your best choice. btw I have never bought anything because someone else or most people were buying it. Its the sheep following the sheep. h20
#242 of 577 Re: Marketing 101 [blckislandguy]
Oct 21, 2007 (6:15 pm)
It's the same in every manufacturing concern. There is a production group and a sales/marketing group. when you buy a truck from Ford or GM you don't actually buy it from the 'factory' and the money go to the producing site. There is a sales and marketing group at every manufacturer. That's who the dealer pays. To us it doesn't matter we pay the dealer.
As to efficiency well here the numbers speak for themselves. Jim Press set up this system and ran it for 30 yrs and Toyota's sales and marketing exploded across N America. Now that's a model that works. There is no monolithic HQ in Dearborn or Renaissance or Auburn Hills that decides everything...each local region does the deciding.
Well this point has been debated on evey product thread here and elsewhere. Toyota and Honda both limit the configurations in order to improve production efficiency. Note that Toyota here is only interested this year in selling to the retail buyer in a relatively few configurations. By doing this they keep the costs down and the profits up. More volume in smaller segments.
In the end this is just business..maximize sales revenue and minimize costs. This is what Toyota does better than any of the rest. All the rest ( like the discussions here ) are fanboi hoohaa.
#244 of 577 Re: Marketing 101 [kdhspyder]
Oct 21, 2007 (6:44 pm)
OK, points well taken.
#245 of 577 Re: Marketing 101 [kdhspyder]
Oct 21, 2007 (9:20 pm)
So spyder what have you to say regarding how Toyota dumped Press after 37 years of service and bringing Toyota to the no. 1 spot? Last I heard he's heading over to Chrysler.
Need I mention that Toyota marketing guru who made Scion a household name for the young that's moving over to Ford.
I'm sure Toyota errr Toyoda is real happy about that.