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#231 of 544 Re: One more time... [obyone] by 1offroader Oct 20, 2007 (5:15 pm)
Replying to: obyone (Oct 20, 2007 1:46 pm) I can't believe it either. It costs LESS to put the color into the plastic, because it saves a step in the process. Painting the interior plastic parts, regardless of how stupid that sounds, actually increases the labor cost, at least it seems logical to think so.   Some nimwit marketing guy at Toyota probably came up with that idea. "It's not a bug, it's a feature! Let's advertise that the Tundra dash and door panels are the only painted plastic interior parts in the entire automobile industry! That'll increase our sales fer sure!" I can't think of ANY earthly reason Toyota would do that, unless...   It is somehow cheaper. Toyota has been resting on its laurels now, riding the "quality" rumor train just like the Big 3 did for so many years. The Consumer Reports article alludes to that. Their sales have been good and, like ALL companies that expereince rapid growth and big profits, Toyota now suffers from hubris. They think they can cut corners and the stupid public won't see it. Sales will just increase forever and ever. Cheap painted interiors, cheesy weak frames, floppy beds, thin sheet metal. Make it flashy and fast and it'll sell. It doesn't work that way and Toyota is going to find that out the hard way. I found that out, with my Toyotas, and didn't go back this time around. They had a very loyal customer and lost me. They are going to have to increase Tundra quality a WHOLE BUNCH before I return to Toyota.   Speaking of which. I was at a stoplight today next to a brand new Tundra, didn't even have plates yet. The orange peel in the paint was HORRIBLE. I can do a better paint job blindfolded with a broom. Strange, since other Tundras I have seen had very good quality paint jobs. This tells me they are rushing them out the door without good inspection/QA/QC.   1offroader Replies to this message: obyone (Oct 20, 2007 5:33 pm) anythingbuttoy (Oct 20, 2007 5:51 pm)
#232 of 544 Re: One more time... [12ozcurls] by 1offroader Oct 20, 2007 (5:29 pm)
Replying to: 12ozcurls (Oct 20, 2007 5:07 pm) Yikes! That's RIDICULOUS!!! The tailgate should be able to hold ANY reasonable load, including ATVs. Hunters live and breath ATVs. Can't imagine anyone who hunts buying one to haul his ATV.   Those tailgate seams are GLUED or PUTTIED together! The sheet metal is JUNK! My Silverado has the optional EZLift feature, but it's a heavy sucker and closes with authority.   I haven't heard that before, nice post 12oz. This will help that quality rumor and increase sales for sure....   What can Toyota do about that? They're all like that, so they can't recall them.   Gad, every time I see that stuff I'm so glad I didn't drop 40 large on a Tundra. The Silverado ain't perfect, I have some complaints, but they're mice nuts compared to Tundra issues.   1offroader
#233 of 544 Re: One more time... [1offroader] by obyone Oct 20, 2007 (5:33 pm)
Replying to: 1offroader (Oct 20, 2007 5:15 pm) Just back from the Toyota dealership. Looked at a black Crewmax but didn't test drive. The texture on the dash resembles a sprayin bedliner for some reason. Didn't bother scratching it. And I would agree the orange peel especially on black is disturbing reminding me of GM and their paint problems in the 80's.   The salesman did mention they have huge discounts + rebates on all of the new Tundras with the 4.7 as no one seems to be interested in them at a $1000 difference from the 5.7.   Interesting enough he had no clue on CR's recent report giving their 4WD model Tundra an "unreliable" rating as well as the V6 Camry. He said the Camry was Motor Trends Car of the Year to which I said Motor Trend doesn't check for reliablilty and if they did well what could you say? On the door next to the sticker it does have the NHTSA crash rating of four stars for driver and passenger and 3 stars for rollover.   When leaving I told him to give me his card and if I buy a Tundra I'll be sure to buy it from him.   Man that post by 12oz sure is disturbing about the weight that the tailgates could or should I say can't support. Replies to this message: anythingbuttoy (Oct 20, 2007 5:51 pm)
#234 of 544 Re: One more time... [obyone] by anythingbuttoy Oct 20, 2007 (5:51 pm)
Replying to: obyone (Oct 20, 2007 5:33 pm) This thread at TS is 5 pages long, but read posts #65 and #69. So much for "Yeah, but Toyota takes care of it's customers".   http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/113646-transmission-fault-identifie- - - - - d-5/   Yep, now this is a "quality" truck, huh Doc?   We'll see how their sales figures look after people pull their heads out of the sand and see this stuff.   http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/111758-2007-tundra-seat-pops/   The "Quality" paint jobs aren't going to help maintain sales growth either.   http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/114504-poor-paint-quality-new-2007-- - - tundra/   With this kind of "Quality" (or lack thereof), Toyota isn't going to be catching anyone in sales numbers.
#235 of 544 Re: As long as [drfill] by kgford Oct 20, 2007 (10:23 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Oct 18, 2007 5:20 pm) Dr Fill,Often imitated. Never duplicated.        You try, and that's what's important. Don't ever forget it. DrFill   Your expression perfectly describes Ford F-series trucks. It takes me less than 3 minutes to explain why ford is and has been the truck leader for over 30 years and they never set foot on a toyota lot again when looking for a real truck. And a real fully boxed and thru welded crossmember frame can hold over 3,000 lbs compared to your toyotas under 2,10 lbs.
#236 of 544 A Not-So-Happy Ford-to-Toyota Convert by anythingbuttoy Oct 21, 2007 (6:56 am)
So Doc and Spyder,    It seems not all of your Ford to Toyota converts are all too happy with their decision. How will this affect sales conquests in the future as more and more people see the "real" Tundra?   http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/114504-poor-paint-quality-new-2007-- tundra/ See Post #8:   "Ultra thin paint on all these things. If you look at it funny it will leave a scratch down to the primer. Worst paint job on any new vehicle I have ever owned.   Between the bad paint, painted dash, cheap plastics, collapsing tailgates, spongy soft bed, etc...and not counting for the real problems people are having with these things...I am official selling mine. I've spent 3 weekends installing amps, speakers, nav, etc. and unless somebody wants to pay for it I will be taking it out. Only good news is that it comes out in 1/10 the time it went in.   I have owned Ford trucks in the past and never had the issues with them I've had with this Junkra. I admit I like the look and power...but I want a truck I can use and not have to worry about. I never worried about my Ford truck.   Whenever Toyota gets the kinks worked out I may be back. But then again I may not since I will be losing money on this POS.   PS you can check my prior posts if you think I'm trolling. I own this thing and I'm really just sick of worrying about it. I want a truck that will give me piece of mind and the new Tundra is not it.   Toyota is human too I guess." Replies to this message: h20 (Oct 21, 2007 5:29 pm)
#237 of 544 tap tap tap by kcram HOST Oct 21, 2007 (12:16 pm)
Pointing out posts on other sites has nothing to do with sales... don't be the one that gets this discussion closed down too.   kcram - Pickups Host
#238 of 544 I think the point being made here is by obyone Oct 21, 2007 (12:42 pm)
that the Tundra sales will have absolutely no impact whether the Ford F150 retains its position or not. Some Toyota zealots tend to believe that it will but are seriously kidding themselves.
#240 of 544 Re: Marketing 101 [kdhspyder] by blckislandguy Oct 21, 2007 (4:49 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 19, 2007 9:54 pm) Dear K-spyder,   Thanks.   I'd love to have you though address my two major points.   1) How does the extra "step" in their distribution system add any value to the consumer? Seems to me that it doesn't take a Harvard MBA to realize that this extra layer of overhead simply adds cost. Monopolies never benefit anyone except the monopolists. Isn't the France family of NASCAR fame the Southeast "distributor"?   2) Rather than having quasi-monopolistic "distributors" configure the vehicles for their areas, I'd feel a lot better if individual consumers, real live consumers, could pick and choose what they options they wanted to buy. I realize that this is bottoms-up approach is alien to the Japanese cultural system but it seems to work well here. You might find for example that a lot of NYC customers have second homes up in the Adirondacks or Catskills. Or maybe out on the Islands (Fishers, Block Island, Nantucket, etc.) and would rather order, buy and have their 4X4 Tundra serviced at their home dealer in NYC than at a dealer in upstate NY or in RI.   How Toyota decides to do business is, of course, their business. But for American truck buyers who are used to an open spec book (I think you can even get leather as an option on the Chevy 1500 Work Truck!) and direct factory to dealer pricing, this may not be the best approach. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Oct 21, 2007 6:15 pm) blckislandguy (Oct 21, 2007 6:44 pm) obyone (Oct 21, 2007 9:20 pm) kdhspyder (Oct 22, 2007 5:08 am) and 3 more...

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