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You are in the Ford F-Series
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Ford F-150, Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, GMC Sierra 1500, Nissan Titan, Car Buying, Truck
#134 of 577 Re: Here ya go... [kcram]
Oct 03, 2007 (3:14 pm)
I'm sure there are a number of viable theories about the dynamics of the latest LD pick-up sales figures. The Tundra increase, while a large number, is based on an already low sales rate compared to the Chevrolet, Dodge, and Ford versions and may only mean that Toyota loyalists are responding to a much more attractive alternative, something they didn't have before the launch of the new Tundra.
Over the years I have rarely seen a used Tundra at a Chevy, Dodge, or Ford dealership, not that that's proof of anything. But at my last visit to my Toyota dealer I saw three previous generation Tundras on their lot. I did see one 2006 Silverado, and two Titans. But no RAMs or F-150s.
I have to say that around here the Chevy dealers seem to have plenty of stock, while Ford dealers seem to be low on trucks.
#135 of 577 Re: Yeah, chassis frames for fleet. [drfill]
by kcram HOST
Oct 03, 2007 (3:56 pm)
That's for all vehicles, not just chassis-cab trucks. Even cars are assigned a GVWR.
kcram - Pickups Host
#136 of 577 Re: Yeah, chassis frames for fleet. [drfill]
Oct 03, 2007 (5:23 pm)
The HDs are good for around 40% of F-series sales.
Which is wrong. This is a Heavy Duty truck
Dump Trucks do not account for 40% of our truck sales.
So I say again, please refrain from speaking of that which you are clueless on. Belive it or not there are allot of people who belive everything they read on this site.
There are many subjects I am clueless on to, but Ford is not one of them.
#137 of 577 Re: Yeah, chassis frames for fleet. [joel0622]
Oct 03, 2007 (5:28 pm)
Hey, is that a spy shot of the new F150??? LOL
#138 of 577 I'm clueless?
Oct 03, 2007 (5:38 pm)
Who was talking about dump trucks? Or fleet? Or chassis cabs?
I'm talking about the Super Duty HDs. The F-250/350/450. That's a retail, lucrative profit center for Ford. And is about 40% of F-series retail sales. If you contend 250-450 are not HD, that's different.
I guess Chevy's 2500/3500 aren't HDs either, regardless of what it says on the billboards.
#139 of 577 Re: I'm clueless? [drfill]
Oct 03, 2007 (5:43 pm)
Doc, what is your point anyway?
#140 of 577 Re: I'm clueless? [drfill]
Oct 03, 2007 (6:07 pm)
I could give a rats ass what Chevy is doing. I am just trying to point out that HD trucks are not 40% of Ford truck sales.
BTW where did you pull this 40% number from any how? I have the numbers right here in front of me and Super Duty sales (what you call HD sales for some reason) are not 40%.
Also in another post you said that you did not know we were talking about fleet sales. Those posted #'s include fleet sales, not sure if they include Major Fleet with a FIN# or not but know for a fact they include all fleet sales.
#141 of 577 Truck Weight Classifications
Oct 04, 2007 (4:42 am)
The US government assigns two classifications to trucks: "pick-ups" and "trucks."
Pick-ups have two subclassifications:
*pick-up = Light Duty
*pick-up = Medium duty
Trucks have four subclassifications:
*Truck light duty = 8500 lbs. or less
*Truck Medium Duty = 8501 to 26,000 lbs.
*Truck Heavy Duty = 26,000 lbs. or more.
In addition, the United States Department of Transportation has defined by weight capacity:
.........min GVWR...Max GVWR
Class 1..................6,000....Light Duty
Class 2...6,001.....10,000....Light Duty
Class 3..10,001.....14,000....Light Duty
Class 4..14,001.....16,000....Medium Duty
Class 5..16,001.....19,500....Medium Duty
Class 6..19,501.....26,000....Medium Duty
Class 7..26,001.....33,000....Heavy Duty
Class 8..33,001...............Heavy Duty
Pick-up trucks are typically found in class 1, 2, and sometimes 3.
Medium trucks are class 4, 5, and 6.
Heavy trucks are class 7 and 8.
I just looked through the various brochures and documentation that Dodge, Ford, and GM gave us in 2003 (for 2004 models) when my company was making a fleet buy. Chevy and Dodge brochures use almost the same language to describe their pick-ups, "...under class 3." Ford just lumps the SuperDuty in with the F-series and says, ...Super Duty models can be equiped to class 3 service."
Although the word "heavy duty" appears in the Ford literature to describe certain aspects of the F-series and Superduty line (..heavy duty one ton..), nowhere in the literature I have has Ford refered to a Super Duty as a "heavy duty truck."
#142 of 577 Re: I'm clueless? [joel0622]
Oct 06, 2007 (8:26 pm)
I think we can all agree that it is intuitively clear that F250/350 sales do not equal 40% of combined F150/250/350 sales with or without DrFill's concurrence.
But, has anyone noticed that the pricing is very close between an F150 and an F250? Same thing between a Silverado 1500 and a Silverado 2500 HD. At a quick glance there is about a $1000 difference in MSRP between comparably (e.g., trim levels, not engines/frames) equipped vehicles. This makes the F250/350 or 2500HD with the superior drive train and chassis a much better deal. Take the Silverado. For a thou extra over a 1500 you get 2000 more Gross Combined Weight, a 6.0 with a 6 speed auto, and real (i.e, disc) rear brakes and heavy duty frame.