Performance Oriented Factory Tuner Automobiles

Although I am a hard-core Acura/Honda fan and I love the current gen TL but I am having a hard time to digest that Acura is charging over $38K for a FWD, sub 300 HP car.
  
$36K sounds like the ideal price for me.
  
What do y'all think? Am I the only one to have issue with it?
 
Not to be a jerk, but I thought factory high-performance tuned cars weren't allowed in the entry-level luxury performance sedan forum ????
 
As to your question louiswei, I owned a 2005' Acura TL Anthracite, 6-speed manual, Navi, Summer Tires. The MSRP was $36K and change. I paid $33K. I thought at the time it was the best deal on the market because of the technology offered in the car. The Lexus IS 350, I was looking at was $47K with pre-collision, and sport suspension pkg. I was going to settle for a non-sport suspension pkg. IS 350 if my memory serves me correctly it was like $2-3K cheaper so I'd still be at $44-45K.
 
I loved the design of the IS 350 but having one kid in a car seat and another one on the way I decided to get the roomier Acura TL. The Texas, Lexus dealers wouldn't budge off the MSRP. I think my best offer was $1K off MSRP but of course this car was brand new to the market and I would of had to wait for them to get the color Black with tan leather interior in. I also started figuring it up and the TL, made dollars and sense for me because I could get it for about $12K less. So is the TL-Type-S FWD er over-priced IMHO ? I'd say NO ! You get alot of car for your money and I'd be willing to bet you could knock $3-4K off MSRP. I'm not sure what current Lexus dealers are knocking off on MSRP but I'd be willing to bet it won't be as much as the acura dealers.
 
If you are a big Acura TL, fan then why not wait another 2 years for the rumored SH-AWD TL with over 300hp ? I hear some people throwing around 330hp. for the next TL. If something around that number becomes true the TL, could be a benchmark car. I know I will be drooling over it if they don't ruin that Alfa design they have working for them now.
 
Just my $0.02
 
Rocky

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Wow Rocky, you just had your knuckles wrapped by the host for stating the truth. We are in no way breaking any rules unless you are making them up as you go along. As soon as something came close to the BMW 3er ooowww that is bad..lets ban them before the truth gets out. They can't stand the competition. The whole purpose of this forum is to create a new niche, one that includes sensible discussion about Premium class sedans with performance (how does that sound?). louiswei, to correct you the reason the MKZ was banned from the lux-perf.sedan forum was because it did not have a manual shift option-an option the IS 350 you stated did not have yet it was allowed to stay, why is that ? Hypocrisy that is why. My argument was that the MKZ has the luxury (see Lincoln website MKZ interior/exterior images), the perforamance-263hp,and suspension to handle tight curves at high speeds,nice options for a good price, and most of all, they are affordable !! You can actually bargain for one and not feel the salesman is looking down at you condescendingly. Thanks Rocky. During the Christmas holidays I will take my wife out to the car mall and we will do a little comparison shopping BMW,MB,of course Lincoln MKZ he he, Acura TL-S,Infiniti G35,Volvo S60R, Caddy CTS etc. We will come back again to this forum and my wife can add her 0.02 cents. Can you do me a big favor ? Post an interior/exterior image of the MKZ vs. the BMW 335i, I think a pic would tell a lot, add the price at the bottom of each

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flash11, I would love to track race you with My IS350 against your beloved MKZ. Since both cars are automatic so the competition should be fair. Feel free to name the track, drag strip, road track, I don't care (prefer in FL though ).
 
Wanna compare interiors...why pick on the 335i since we all know (except blueguydotcom) that it's interior is not top notch in the class. Where the 335i truly shines is in the performance department.
 
MKZ:

 
IS350:

 
G35:

 
TL:

 
335i:

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Replying to: bigbuck14 (Dec 01, 2006 12:03 pm)

Get your fact straight...
 
We don't hate the MKZ, it just doesn't belong in the "Entry Luxury Performance Sedan" class.
 
The interior preference is purely subjective and Lincoln would surely be glade that some of y'all like the MKZ's interior. For me, I prefer TL and IS350's.
 
Like I said, the best way to settle if MKZ "belongs" or not is to put it against the also-no-manual-tranny IS350 on a track. Just to make the competiton more fair, the driver of the IS350 shouldn't be allow to use his/her paddle shifter since the MKZ doesn't even have a steptronic tranny even though it's a POS.

Replying to: louiswei (Dec 01, 2006 5:19 am)

It's a tie between the MKZ and G35 as best interiors. I'd give the edge to the MKZ though.
 
Where's the Audi, interior ? Well some of us don't want to go blinde.
 
The CTS-V, IMHO is the benchmark of the performance oriented sedans and in 2008' I believe the new CTS will be very competitive if not class leading against the competition such as the IS 350, 335i, G35, and of course MKZ. The next CTS-V, will continue it's performance dominance over the M cars because it can out muscle them.
 
I will also say this I wished BMW, wouldn't of ruined a beautiful design exterior and interior like they had going in the last generation of BMW's. The E36? M3 sedan was one of the most striking cars in the world. I do see some hope in the 2008' M3. I don't know if it was the angle or photo but the the M3 looked pretty good and not so funky.
 
Rocky

I know interiors like design are a individual taste. I see some mocking the MKZ's interior as being vertical like a UPS truck. What in the sam hell would you call the current BMW interiors ? They look more awkward than the honda civics. However some will openly apologize and call that awkwardness "functional simplicity". Give me a break.
 
Rocky

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