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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Cadillac CTS-V, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, BMW M3, Acura TL, Audi S4, Audi S6, Mercedes-Benz C36 AMG, Lexus IS-F, Audi R8, Coupe, Convertible, Sedan
#18 of 151 Re: 2007 Acura TL Type-S [louiswei]
Dec 01, 2006 (4:24 pm)
It's a tie between the MKZ and G35 as best interiors. I'd give the edge to the MKZ though.
Where's the Audi, interior ? Well some of us don't want to go blinde.
The CTS-V, IMHO is the benchmark of the performance oriented sedans and in 2008' I believe the new CTS will be very competitive if not class leading against the competition such as the IS 350, 335i, G35, and of course MKZ. The next CTS-V, will continue it's performance dominance over the M cars because it can out muscle them.
I will also say this I wished BMW, wouldn't of ruined a beautiful design exterior and interior like they had going in the last generation of BMW's. The E36? M3 sedan was one of the most striking cars in the world. I do see some hope in the 2008' M3. I don't know if it was the angle or photo but the the M3 looked pretty good and not so funky.
#19 of 151 Interiors.....
Dec 01, 2006 (5:31 pm)
I know interiors like design are a individual taste. I see some mocking the MKZ's interior as being vertical like a UPS truck. What in the sam hell would you call the current BMW interiors ? They look more awkward than the honda civics. However some will openly apologize and call that awkwardness "functional simplicity". Give me a break.
#20 of 151 Re: Interiors..... [rockylee]
Dec 01, 2006 (11:15 pm)
(reality) Awkwardness = (bias) functional simplicity, this is the backwards logic that has permeated the lux-perf.sedan forum. Glad you made this forum it is more sensible.
With that said, lets compare price vs. hp/std.options, the MKZ can be a reference, and lets see what bargain hunters think:
(Prices taken from the websites of each respectfully)
Lincoln MKZ MSRP starts at $29K,263hp.(base model in leather,heated seats,leather with wood interior,sporty tuned suspension ,4yr/50K mi.btb warrantee,6yr/70Kmi powertrain war.etc.etc...)
BMW 335i MSRP starts at $39K, 300hp.(difference +$10K,+37hp)
BMW 328xi MSRP starts at $35K,230hp (diff.+$6K, -33hp)
Lexus IS 350 MSRP starts at $36K, 306hp (diff.+$7K,+42hp)
Infiniti G35 base MSRP starts at $32K, 306hp (+3K,+42hp)
Acura TL MSRP starts at $33K,258hp (+4K, -5hp)
Acura TL-S MSRP $36K, 286hp (+7K, +23hp)
Mercedes C230, 201hp, $30K (+1K,-62hp)
Mercedes C280, 228hp, $34K (+5K,-35hp)
Mercedes C350, 268hp, $39K (+10K, +5hp)
Cadillac CTS 2.8L $30K, 210hp (+1K, -53hp)
Cadillac CTS 3.5L $33K, 255hp (+4K, -8hp)
Rocky is the Cadillac stats correct ? Could you list the CTS-V price vs. hp./std.options for us ?
No wonder louiswei wants to race, her IS 350 is a minimum +7K more and +42hp than the MKZ. But it looks like the Infiniti G35 delivers 306hp also but at $4K less. Now to go and test drive them to see the differences.
#21 of 151 Re: Interiors..... [flash11]
Dec 02, 2006 (6:01 am)
Do you know anything about "torque"?
Have you actually compare each interior's fit and finish other than just solely depend on the pictures?
Ah, why bother....
#22 of 151 Re: Interiors..... [flash11]
Dec 02, 2006 (6:30 am)
The CTS-V starts at $51,971 if you delete the sunroof and XM.
Click the sunroof, XM, shock absorbers and you are at $54,630. You can also get run flats at a additional $550 and if you like you can switch out by request for Goodyear F-1's. The engine block heaer is the only other option at $100. So at a $54K MSRP not counting the discount and/or rebate one can get at the time. Bottom-line you can get a very competitive BMW M car at a fully loaded BMW 335i price.
#23 of 151 Re: Interiors..... [louiswei]
Dec 02, 2006 (9:50 am)
louiswei, I've presented my facts,where are yours ? You insinuate hp has no basis ?! Is torque the real key to happiness with these cars ? OK show a comparison chart with the torque and luxury vs.price each car gives. Obviously torque is important to you and a factor not yet presented. Yes I have compared interiors fit and finish. I felt getting the interior pics posted would help prove the point,they say a 1000 words each,and I felt it was important enough to present to others since I saw it first hand, touched it, drove it, along with the others. Present your case, I'm all ears (eyes in this case). I think these forums help educate people including myself. Most prospective buyers may want the best buy for their money. I will make it easy for you, maybe you can show that a bit more money paid leverages a quality (torque and maybe something else?) not seen in the MKZ perhaps ???? My point is get your best bang for your buck (luxury,performance,options given,price considered equally) trumps overpriced sedans with similar qualities. I will be test driving all these cars again with this discussion in mind, I was not that impressed on my initial test drive considering the price tag of the others. Help me (us) understand your point. One day in the near future I will be buying one of these cars, so far I am leaning towards the . I like the design interior and exterior, plus the feel you get walking up to it, driving it, the power and handling was nice. Ford has done a great job with this car.
#24 of 151 Re: Interiors..... [flash11]
Dec 02, 2006 (10:07 am)
I am done with the MKZ discussion. All I can say is that good for you that you like the MKZ but it just simply not good enough for me or some of us in this case.
If I want the best bang for the buck I'll go for the TL and G35. However, I choose to spend the extra $5K for the smooth V6 and class-leading interior fit and finish.
Have a great day.
#25 of 151 Re: Interiors..... [louiswei]
Dec 05, 2006 (4:44 pm)
class leading fit and finish
Still havent test ridden a MKZ yet I see. Too bad for you.
Here is my assessment of the test ride for:
Lincoln MKZ-midsize V6 Lincoln $35K MSRP fully loaded with all options,sales are good right now for this model, stiff steering, solid car,no noise, it does lack sportyness compared to a TL-S but is still luxurious for most people not biased. I can get a 2007 MKZ for approx.$33K due a employee discount, my friend works there.
Acura TL-S-midsize V6 $38K fully loaded-this car is a beast-great car, definately has luxurious interior,loved the comfortable seats, and the ride is excellent although it wobbled up and down when driving fast-salesman said it was delivered just off the truck and the mechanics had to adjust the wheels or something. Salesman also said he would give free oil changes for 4 years and free tires for life. Wow, I wonder what the maintenance costs are after 4 years. Dashboard lit up like a christmas tree with red and blue LED lighting, nice touch. Definately beats out the MKZ in terms of performance and luxury and a modern look. I bargained for a 2006 fully loaded for $33K. I will test drive this one again and try to convince myself buying Japanese does not hurt US workers or economy (8 plants closed, 30000 workers laid off this year alone). It amazes me that other US automakers have not caught on to this segment of car and produced something that can compete at its price range.
By the way the Sebring will have a retractible hard top late in 2007. Chrysler is trying hard but the Sebring looks middle of the road. They should adopt the Sema Sebring hood and other refinements.
Also liked the VW Eos 3.2L 250hp.$37-38K, good on gas mileage 22/32mpg, nice luxurious seating, little room in back seats for passengers, car looks beautiful,dash looks plain but still comes with a good stereo and Nav., and a retractible hardtop, nice. I also heard VW's in general need a lot of maintenance and costs are high.
I will now go and test out a G35 and a Cadillac CTS,plus the Lexus IS 350, and the Buick Lacross CXS 2006 250hp $26K again, just to compare.
#26 of 151 Re: Current and Future-performance oriented domestic & foreign sedans [rockylee]
Dec 05, 2006 (4:53 pm)
Just a quick announcement, Rocky have you seen the new Tesla Roadster ?? Electric/hybrid (it does use gas), 0-60 in 4 seconds, $100K for now, only 100 cars made, all sold out, featured in this months GQ mag. Wanna see more goto www.teslamotors.com
Apologies that is is off topic but thought I should mention it. Sweet car !, wonder if they will have a similar affordable sporty sedan ??
#27 of 151 Re: Current and Future-performance oriented domestic & foreign sedans [flash11]
Dec 11, 2006 (1:03 pm)
The Tesla I agree is a sweet car. I think people that question the fit and finish of the MKZ, need to test drive one. louiswei, mentions the Acura TL, which as a former owner I agree is a nice car but so is the MKZ. If I had to choose between the two in 2007' I'd go MKZ. Well both are FWD, and both only have automatics. I know the Type-S has a manual tranny but the MKZ vs. base TL, is a no brainer IMHO. The MKZ, has a nice navi unit, AC-seats, and better stereo system. It also has a bit more power and does have AWD as a option. The TL, can out corner the MKZ, but the TL doesn't ride quite as well. So it boils down to preference of course and the MKZ, does a great job of giving the consumer a very nice modern looking car at a good MSRP and should be respected among the automotive world.