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You are in the Toyota Sienna
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#95 of 244 Re: Sienna might not be the only Toyo that wasn't on the list, but should be. [tsu670]
Jan 31, 2010 (2:49 pm)
I have a new 2010 Limited. Have had no problems with it so far. As we all know Toyota is in a world of hurt with their line shutdowns and accelerator control unit recall problems. What I have been searching for on this site and others, is this: Why was Sienna specifically excluded from the shutdown, sales and accelerator issue?
As far as I know, only the DENSO accelerator units from Japan are exempted. My Sienna has a unit marked "TOYOTA" on it, not Denso. So if my accelerator control unit is the same (is it?) as those in the shutdown/recall, then why isn't Sienna's? How does Sienna's differ?
Also, my VIN begins with "5TDYK....", NOT "J", which is supposed to ID vehicles made in Japan which use Denso units, and therefore exempt. My Sienna is clearly labeled and built in Princeton, IN, and was delivered in July of 2009. Other Toyota vehicle models were also excluded. Why?
Does anyone know the "real" reason these accelerator control units are supposedly not a problem? As nationally televised, the American built Toyota's use control units built by CTS in Indiana. I believe, but cannot be certain, that mine would also be a CTS unit. I would think that most all of the other American made Toyota vehicles would also use CTS units.
I am specifically not concerning myself with the carpet mat issue pressing on the pedal, but only with the electronic accelerator unit. I do not have any mats that can even touch the pedal in my case. Carpet issues can be easily resolved in comparison.
Just another inquiring mind wanting to know. I'm sure others do too.
Thanks to one and all if this question can be answered accurately.
#96 of 244 Re: Sienna might not be the only Toyo that wasn't on the list, but should be. [fromjustus]
Feb 01, 2010 (10:04 am)
I have the EXACT same concerns and questions as you do and I am sure many other Sienna owners. I have an 09 Sienna and am very concerned and now scared to drive it especially with my kids in the vehicle ! Haven't had any issues , knock on wood, but I am questioning everything now..its very scary...
#97 of 244 Re: Sienna might not be the only Toyo that wasn't on the list, but should be. [fromjustus]
Feb 01, 2010 (10:07 am)
on tuneyfish.com they have photos of the recalled pedals and what a denso looks like, I was wondering about the vin number too mine starts the same as yours..but the pedal looks like a denso with the star on the side in the part near the floor
#98 of 244 Re: Sienna might not be the only Toyo that wasn't on the list, but should be. [flxmom]
Feb 01, 2010 (10:24 am)
It isn't a bad idea to practice tapping the shifter in to neutral while moving.
I would not floor the accelerator for obvious reasons, but rather just become familiar with moving the shifter around from D to N and back.
This is true for any car, come to think of it.
#99 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [ateixeira]
Feb 01, 2010 (10:38 am)
did the guy who crashed in Cali and died with 3 others put his car in neutral do you know I am flipping out, I have an 09 Sienna and have read this thread from the beginning and now am convinced that Sienna should be in the recall . I was questioning and skeptical that it wasn't and the proof is here,,and these are just the folks who have taken the time to report on here ! I have two kids and was so excited to get my Sienna but now an terrified to drive it..will going into neutral really help if this happens, the accelaration..and since I owned this car I have noticed a revving of the engine when I turn corners, took it in 2 times they say its nothing, sounds normal, now I really wonder..
#100 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [flxmom]
Feb 01, 2010 (10:46 am)
Are you referring to the cop? He was in a Lexus ES with floor mats from a different model installed. I don't think he tried neutral - he tried to turn the engine off and used the brakes (may have pumped them, not sure).
Occurences are petty rare, just practice the "Neutral Tap" a couple of times, and never panic if anything does happen.
There are all sort of hazards - you could get a flat tire, slip on black ice, get hit by someone running a red light, etc.
The key it if anything does happen, remain calm and drive to the shoulder of the road safetly. Knowing your vehicle well is a good idea, as is driving defensively (give yourself time and space).
I have noticed a revving of the engine when I turn corners
It's probably holding a lower gear to help you accelerate out of the turn. You don't want the shift-shock in the middle of the turn because that could upset the balance of traction.
It could also be emissions related.
If the revs climb WAY up then I'd park it and call your dealer, and notify NHTSA's ODI division so it's documented.
#101 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [ateixeira]
Feb 01, 2010 (11:20 am)
Thanks for your reply, I will get practiced with the gear shift, but I have to say I am ready to get a different vehicle..this is so scary ! I know there are many risk factors when driving but knowingly driving a vehicle that has know incidents, for years, of this happening is just unnerving..
#102 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [ateixeira]
Feb 01, 2010 (11:23 am)
Neutral tap meaning shifting into Neutral?
#103 of 244 Re: Sienna might not be the only Toyo that wasn't on the list, but should be. [fromjustus]
Feb 01, 2010 (12:20 pm)
go to sienna acceleration and recall ,,the vehicle does have reports and history of crashes and issues due to acceleration...and also reports to the proper channels and still no recall..very scary and concerned about this...
#104 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [flxmom]
Feb 01, 2010 (12:31 pm)
Yes. You tap it up, a light touch is all it takes. It won't go beyond Neutral.
Here's an image of the shifter:
Neutral is right above Drive, so one tap up, that's it, it won't accelerate. The rev limiter will even prevent engine damage. It would be loud (the engine would race), but you should have control of the steering and brakes to gradually slow and pull over to the side of the road.
Try this on an empty street - coasting along at a slow speed, tap the shifter from D to N, and then pull over slowly and come to a full stop. Only turn it off after you come to a full stop (this ensures your steering and brakes have power assist).
Keep in mind these cases are still rare, and in the one in a million chance yours is ever affected you would know what to do. And then a 0.0001% of injury would drop to 0% because you'd know exactly what to do.
By the way - if you get a flat, a lot of people instinctly stab at the brakes, and that is absolutely the wrong thing to do. You should actually coast and steer gradually until you can pull over.