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You are in the Toyota Sienna
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#70 of 244 Re: toyota uncontrolled acceleration [ateixeira]
Jan 16, 2010 (10:20 am)
The recall may be for the gas pedals, but I don't believe that's the problem. To the person with the 2003 Sienna that wanted to know what to do, yes, definitely report it. If everybody that this happens to reports it, maybe they will reallize that it isn't the gas pedal or the floor mats. That is what I meant when I said why isn't the Sienna on the recall list? I know I reported my accident, but haven't heard a word about it.
#71 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [ateixeira]
Jan 17, 2010 (9:28 am)
ateixera---you must have some association with Toyota or you ASSUME way too much. I presume you know what they say about individuals who do so !!!!!!!!
YOUR comments in regards to being able to brake the vehicle with full throttle is INCORRECT. Toyota Sienna braking system leaves much to be desired, at least on my 04 Sienna, from day one. They have been checked by various Toyota Service Centers.
I tested MY Toyota when this issue became know, ONCE the vehicle is moving (few miles per hour) and when full throttle is applied, YOU CANNOT STOP/OVERPOWER the vehicle with their weak braking system. I feel this will apply to other vehicles with to-days power requirements.
I recommend ALL Toyota owner check YOUR vehicle in this manner. PREPARE yourself and other family members. Personality I informed my wife to turn the key off. And yes, I know what this causes, however attempting to find the shift lever and move into neutral under this panic situation would be difficult indeed.
#72 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [backwoods]
Jan 18, 2010 (6:07 pm)
Whoa, relax, and please stop shouting.
I just shared the link to the Office of Defects Investigation and encouraged them to file a report about the problem.
If there's a pattern, NHTSA will take action.
If it's a few isolated incidents, or worse, they go unreported, then they won't. Venting on the internet is pointless.
Read my previous post again. That's the appropriate action to take.
I don't even agree with the advice you're giving. What owners should practice is popping the trans in to neutral.
#73 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [ateixeira]
Jan 18, 2010 (7:02 pm)
So, are you associated with Toyota in any way?
I've read many of your comments and you tend to question the posters validity !
Reminiscent of the typical, Company Line, statements.
#74 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [backwoods]
Jan 18, 2010 (11:59 pm)
How in the world is turning the key an easier thing to do in a panic situation than simply bumping the transmission lever up into neutral? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Push the transmission to neutral and the worst that happens is the engine over revs. Turn the engine off and you lose your power including steering and brakes- making a dangerous situation much, much more so. Coasting on the public highways (in Ca at least) is ILLEGAL as well.
edit: as a quick experiment I just tried the two motions and found that without taking my eyes away from the windscreen I could take my hand from the steering wheel move the transmission from drive to neutral and have my hand back on the wheel in approximately half a second. I fumbled turning the key without looking down, instinctively would look down and took a second or more on average. By far the easier motion is to move the transmission lever- it is faster, I didn't fumble and didn't feel any need to take my eyes from the road in front of me- crucial differences in an emergency.
#75 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [backwoods]
Jan 19, 2010 (8:41 am)
Boy, you don't know me at all.
I'm the founder of the Subaru Crew and the Community Leader for that group right here on Edmunds.com. Go to the RAV4 vs. Forester threads and you'll see I'm one of the harshest critics of that Toyota.
My daily driver is a Mazda Miata, that's what I drove to work today (and almost every day).
We have a family/trip car and it's a Sienna, but no, I'm not associated with Toyota in any way, I just happen to think the Sienna is the best minivan available.
A lot of times these complaints are very unilateral, and there's noone here from Toyota to defend themselves or even state the other side of the story. Have you ever once seen someone admit a mistake, say it was their own fault?
In the GPS thread a trucker drove under a short bridge and crashed his truck on the overhead pass, and tried to blame the GPS for sending him there.
As a society we tend to assign blame rather than take responsibility for our mistakes. It's just a pet peeve of mine.
If for whatever reason the throttle is pinned, the best action to take is to slap the trans in to neutral, which is will do at any speed, at any throttle position. That always works.
#76 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [ateixeira]
Jan 19, 2010 (10:00 am)
>lot of times these complaints are very unilateral, and there's no one here from Toyota to defend themselves
I didn't recall that complaints by posters in Edmunds needed to be balanced by representatives of Toyota Motors USA. Actually there are more than enough people in some discussions of Toyota's problems who connected with the company and stand up too much for the company trying to overwhelm the poor poster who comes in with a valid complaint.
>Have you ever once seen someone admit a mistake,
Example is a good question here... aimed at the poster, but I'd like to ask it about one example about Toyota.
Did Toyota admit a mistake when they blamed the customer for years about their sludge problem only to eventually give in and pay for some of the engines that were left? Recall how many people and reps of the company were blaming the end users for the sludge problem, including those with more than the required number of oil changes. Meanwhile Toyota had made some changes to the breathing of the crankcase and oil drains on the engine.
#77 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [imidazol97]
Jan 19, 2010 (10:25 am)
There was one Toyota rep that I recall, we debated the whole sludge issue, in fact. I took a middle-of-the-road position - if people could not come up with a single receipt for an oil change for a year, Toyota should not pay for their neglect.
In most cases people could indeed come up with receipts, and those should have been covered from the get-go, absolutely.
I haven't noticed any reps in the Sienna threads, but I don't follow the busy "Haterade for Toyota" threads, of which there are many.
I wasn't aware of any engine changes - in fact the 3MZ engine ended up being replaced by the 1MZ and later the 2GR, not updated. Maybe you're talking about the 4 bangers?
Even so, what worked was filing complaints to NHTSA, which showed a pattern of sludged engines, and forced Toyota to find a fix.
See my link above to the ODI. That's what concerned owners and people who experience a problem should do - file an official complaint.
#79 of 244 Re: Brakes and Throttle failed at the same time? [yatesjo]
Jan 19, 2010 (5:13 pm)
What ever works for you!!
My wife felt more secure reaching for the key than attempting to shift the lever. She knows how it will effect the steering and brakes, because we performed that maneuver. We are elderly and her reaction is not what it was years back. Myself I would probably shift into neutral, I tend to keep my hand on the shifter anyways.
IMO I feel, this problem, as posters stated occurred because of uncontrolled/stuck throttle. Could there be other variables, sure, but not in every case. Select individuals are adamant as to what happen, and I for one believe them.
Matter of fact, in our area, a elderly woman struck and unfortunately injured one girl and killed her sister in parking lot. The State Investigator discovered her vehicle had a malfunctioning throttle wire. No, it wasn't a Toyota.
Many have stated the brakes will override the full throttle applications, they won't on mine, nor on other vehicles I've driven. Especially if the vehicle has gained forward momentum and the engine is moving into its power range.
I just hope it never happens, in the heat of sudden emergency, who knows how one may react.