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#117 of 156 Re: TSB for Vibrations "Highway Speed Steering 'Flutter'" [jim58] by jim58 May 30, 2007 (9:12 am)
Replying to: jim58 (May 30, 2007 8:59 am) I check with the NHTSB (I think that is right), anyway the National Highway bunch and found out that if they had enough complaints filed with THEM on the same model, they would start the process to require a recall of all those models!   SO Folks, if you are as irritated at Toyota's irritating policy of ignoring this problem, please log on to their site and let's stir up enough complaints to cause a fleet wide recall! I would love to be the one to get to have my vehicle fixed finally after 4 years and almost 50,000 miles of driving with this steering wheel vibration. The web site for them is http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/. The lady I spoke with was very helpful and stayed on the phone with me a good 30 minutes trying to get me the information I needed.   Again, please log on to http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ and post your complaints and let's get a recall on these vehicles.   Jim Replies to this message: dennisv (May 30, 2007 3:14 pm) jim58 (May 31, 2007 7:20 am)
#118 of 156 Re: TSB for Vibrations "Highway Speed Steering 'Flutter'" [jim58] by dennisv May 30, 2007 (3:14 pm)
Replying to: jim58 (May 30, 2007 9:12 am) I just bought an 07 Sport Edition 4x4 V8 and of course it has the vibration at 378 miles. I guess I bought into the Toyota quality spiel. Anyway, before spending hours messing around with the dealership I thought I would check the web for a message board such as this and look what I have found....   Here is what I am going to do and would recommend others to do as well. First go to the NHTSA site and file a complaint, then I am going to print up fliers and leave one on every 4runner I come across in a parking lot advising them to log a complaint if they are experiencing this issue. It seems drastic, and I'm not big fan of leaving this kind of "junk" on someone's car, but the only way to get a "grass roots" movement is through information dispersion.   Dennis Replies to this message: jim58 (May 31, 2007 7:20 am)
#119 of 156 Re: TSB for Vibrations "Highway Speed Steering 'Flutter'" [dennisv] by jim58 May 31, 2007 (7:20 am)
Replying to: dennisv (May 30, 2007 3:14 pm) Dennis, that's an unique idea, worth a try for sure. According to the NSTHA, they will start process for a recall if there are enough complaints! Also, yesterday, my wife was in another city and I had her carry the vehicle by the local Toyota dealer there. This service manager probably had already been tipped off by Toyota higher ups what to do as when he drove the vehicle, he said he could NOT feel the vibration. This is the same SM that checked my serial number against the TSB to discover that it was built before a change that was supposed to stop this steering wheel 'flutter'.   I asked what the breakdown of charges were and it was about $700 for a new steering wheel (yeah) and about 200 for a relief spring and all day labor totaling $1200! My intent was to have the work done and if it fixed the problem, then go back after Toyota to pay me back but after the test drive fiasco, I decided not to fool with it. I Googled for Lemon Law Attorneys and got several links to see if one would take my case. I'll post the results but I am not dropping this yet.   Jim
#120 of 156 Re: My 2007 Sport V8 4Runner has big time resonant vibration! [climb14er] by plippy May 31, 2007 (12:39 pm)
Replying to: climb14er (May 09, 2007 8:13 pm) Because of this forum I immediately went to some highway driving and, lo and behold, had the "shimmy" that you guys were talking about. I immediately emailed Toyota on Toyota.com and they emailed the local dealership who then called me to set up an appointment to check this out. They replaced the Dunlops with Bridgestones and now the problem is gone (plus the Bridgestones are much better tires according to my brother who used to work in the tire business). I will keep my eyes opened to all of this and let everyone know how this progresses in the future. It is the least I could do. It makes me wonder how many people are just dealing with the vibration instead of complaining about it. You don't spend that kind of maney everyday - Toyota needs to get it right!!
#121 of 156 Re: TSB for Vibrations "Highway Speed Steering 'Flutter'" [jim58] by drex1 Jun 02, 2007 (7:24 am)
Replying to: jim58 (May 29, 2007 7:05 am) Jim,  The procedure for fixing the steering rack assembly is about 46 steps. The TSBs are not normally available on the internet, but sites like alldata.com and others have all the TSBs and repair procedures. I have found them useful. Unfortunately, I found this TSB after the warranty had expired. Like everyone else, I do plan on making a complaint with the NHTSA. Replies to this message: jim58 (Jun 07, 2007 1:58 pm)
#122 of 156 Re: TSB for Vibrations "Highway Speed Steering 'Flutter'" [drex1] by jim58 Jun 07, 2007 (1:58 pm)
Replying to: drex1 (Jun 02, 2007 7:24 am) Yep, the lady at the NHSTB ?? was real nice and encourage me to file the complaint against Toyota. She said at some point if they had enough, or enough within a certain time frame, they would start recall requirement action!! In the mean time, the vibration (buzzing) on my steering wheel keeps getting worse. Again, I see some postings here that are clearly tire balance problems. Believe me, I've had my share of them over the period of the last 30 or 40 years but this IS NOT a tire problem. If it was a tire problem, the whole vehicle would shake and again, this is felt ONLY in the steering wheel.   From all the posts here and what I have found elsewhere, Toyota is aware of this but trying to avoid a very costly recall or less, having to fix all the vehicles that were reported in warranty. If they have to recall, then all of us will get their cars fixed, maybe!   Keep supplying information here, I have since referred my stuff to a local attorney to see if there is a case we can pursue against both Toyota and the arbitration company. . . Jim
#123 of 156 Vibration in Front End by mike805 Jun 08, 2007 (4:42 am)
I realize there is a TSB on this but also some have fixed the problem by changing tires. One possibility may be the balance of the wheels and tires. Most places only place weights on the outside of the wheel which does not dynamically balance the wheel. Try having them balanced by a dealer that dynamically balances with weights on both inside and outside of the wheels on a machine that can sense the imbalance in this axis. This is especially important with the wide wheels we have now. Replies to this message: jim58 (Jun 08, 2007 6:25 am)
#124 of 156 Re: Vibration in Front End [mike805] by jim58 Jun 08, 2007 (6:25 am)
Replying to: mike805 (Jun 08, 2007 4:42 am) Mike, thanks for the post but again, the problem I have is NOT in the tires. I read back and see that I left off the comment that the vibration is still present even when the brake is held and the engine rev to the normal vibration points. (Yeah, I know, but Toyota's own senior service rep told me to try it) I have tried everything I can think of and any good ideas others have offered and nothing fixes the problem and nothing points to the tires being the problem. There is a real coverup going here since the arbitration hearing was lost. Now Toyota service managers in other dealerships, once they log in the VIN number, all at once switch sides, from wanting to help the consumer, to protecting Toyota. They have driven the vehicle and claim that they cannot feel the vibration!!! Now, it is not just me and my wife but anyone who drives it can feel it, EXCEPT Toyota employees. Go figure.   Jim
#125 of 156 Buzzing Steering Wheel by pec1970 Jun 10, 2007 (10:04 am)
My 2006 Limited has the same problem....a buzzing steering wheel from 1500-2000 rpm when my foot is on the accelerator. I took it in last week, left it there the whole day and the service manager told me that 2 different people drove it and "could not duplicate." He invited me to bring it back and ride with the technician so they were sure of what the problem is. Based on everything I have read here, I am not sure it's worth my time. The vehicle is leased and this is one I will NOT buy at the end of the lease. Replies to this message: jim58 (Jun 12, 2007 8:39 am)
#126 of 156 Re: Buzzing Steering Wheel [pec1970] by jim58 Jun 12, 2007 (8:39 am)
Replying to: pec1970 (Jun 10, 2007 10:04 am) SURE!!! That is the first thing Toyota Techs learn if they go to training is "unable to duplicate". That saves them a lot of costly warranty work and is intended to make the customer believe that they are imaging the problem and that he is a nusiance by contining to bring the vehicle back for the same problem. I encourage everyone to call the NHSTB and file a complaint and when enough complain, they will start process to order Toyota to recall these vehicles. It may not be a problem now but think about it!! What will you do when the vehicle is out of warranty and it comes time to trade or sell the vehicle? If the potential buyer or dealer drives it and surely will feel the vibration and won't want it because of the vibration!!   Keep posting anybody who has found a solution or has a similiar problem. Thanks, Jim

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