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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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#6167 of 6186 Re: . [robr2] by plekto

Dec 02, 2012 (1:25 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Dec 02, 2012 12:10 pm)
The CTS and ATS *are* German cars, though. The design team is from Germany, the engine is designed in Germany, and the thing is tested in Germany.
 
It just has a Cadillac badge on it instead of Opel. It's as close to German engineering as you can possibly get without having to suffer the reliability or electrical issues.
 
I can guarantee that the ATS will be a car you can purchase and it won't break your bank. Try that with a 3 series. There's a reason why sane people lease BMWs and don't buy them.

#6168 of 6186 Re: . [robr2] by lemko

Dec 02, 2012 (3:43 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Dec 02, 2012 10:59 am)
Also, the ATS does not suffer from the images as the "Ultimate Poseur Car" as does the 3-Series. Every 20-something Staples Assistant Manager leases a 3-Series.

#6169 of 6186 Re: . [fintail] by lemko

Dec 02, 2012 (3:45 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Dec 02, 2012 12:36 pm)
Yeesh!!! LEASE at $849 a month?!?!? Shoot, my payments to BUY my DTS were way way less than that! That's a lotta money for a wannabe baller in the 'hood!

#6170 of 6186 Re: . [lemko] by robr2

Dec 02, 2012 (7:03 pm)

Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2012 3:45 pm)
Yeesh!!! LEASE at $849 a month?!?!? Shoot, my payments to BUY my DTS were way way less than that! That's a lotta money for a wannabe baller in the 'hood!
 
That's 36 months, zero down on a $64K car. Similar priced X5 is leasing for $679 a month. In any case, that's crazy money for a lease.

#6171 of 6186 Re: . [robr2] by berri

Dec 02, 2012 (7:39 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Dec 02, 2012 7:03 pm)
Heck, I think that's a ridiculous payment or lease for any depreciating asset, especially if you can't write part of it off for business expense.

#6172 of 6186 Re: . [lemko] by fintail

Dec 02, 2012 (7:53 pm)

Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2012 3:45 pm)
The baller in your hood buys a 2002 'Slade (which doesn't seem really different from a new one in style, quality, or image) and then finances it at 20% with a similar payment. However, if he completes the term, at least he owns it.

#6173 of 6186 exhilarating performance and good fuel economy by steve_ HOST

Dec 06, 2012 (7:02 am)

At first glance it looked like this reviewer was cussing the new ATS; turns out he was giving it four stars (out of four stars).
 
"Light, powerful and efficient, the * * * * 2013 Cadillac ATS sport sedan is a breakthrough for America's premier luxury brand. Lavishly equipped and attractively priced, it raises Cadillac to a new level.
 
The ATS competes with sport sedans like the Audi A4, BMW 3-series, Infiniti G37, Lexus IS 350, Lincoln MKZ and Mercedes-Benz C-class. The new Cadillac's price, fuel economy and performance stack up well against comparably equipped models."
 
Mark Phelan: Cadillac ATS sport sedan strong in looks, performance (Detroit Free Press)

#6174 of 6186 Re: . [fintail] by keystonecarfan

Dec 07, 2012 (11:22 am)

Replying to: fintail (Dec 02, 2012 7:53 pm)
The problem is that he rarely, if ever, "completes the term."
 
Plus, any 2002 vehicle is going to require maintenance and repairs beyond oil changes and tune-ups. Tires alone for the Escalade (or any other full-size SUV) aren't cheap.
 
During Christmas 2006 my wife was surprised that a cousin of our sister-in-law had received an Escalade from her father for Christmas. She asked, "How can he do it?"
 
I then saw the Escalade in question...it was the first-generation model, which meant that it was about 6-7 years old. He didn't really give it to her - he had retained the title and allowed her "use it," but had never signed it over to her.
 
It apparently didn't last long, because after about a year, I never saw the Escalade again, even though we still see her on a regular basis.

#6175 of 6186 Re: . [keystonecarfan] by fintail

Dec 07, 2012 (11:53 am)

Replying to: keystonecarfan (Dec 07, 2012 11:22 am)
She probably ran it out of oil or into a tree or something

#6176 of 6186 Re: . [fintail] by keystonecarfan

Dec 07, 2012 (12:10 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Dec 07, 2012 11:53 am)
More likely, she gave it back when gas prices spiked in 2008. My wife is from a rural area, so people have to do LOTS of driving just to get to the store, school, work, etc. I don't want to think of how much it cost to keep that Escalade filled with gas.

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