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#6124 of 6195 Re: Cadillac is Dying: Does Anyone Care Anymore? [circlew]
Jul 15, 2011 (6:13 am)
Standard of the world for American cars?
#6125 of 6195 Re: Cadillac is Dying: Does Anyone Care Anymore? [andre1969]
Jul 15, 2011 (6:17 am)
I think the STS is out of production now, maybe the DTS too. Will impact rental fleets more than anyone else. TC is slated to die off in a few months, I think....can't imagine that it has earned a retail sale in years.
Maybe killing Mercury was premature - move the existing Lincoln line to that brand and give Lincoln some actual new product, like Caddy got several years ago. Ford could make the investment...too late now though.
#6126 of 6195 Re: Shifty you and I.... [andys120]
Jul 15, 2011 (6:50 am)
I'm very much aware of that Northstar engine under my DTS' hood and am hardly an old coot. It's one good reason my DTS may become another lifetime car for me.
#6127 of 6195 Re: Cadillac is Dying: Does Anyone Care Anymore? [fintail]
Jul 15, 2011 (7:45 am)
It's a shame about the STS, as it was the bigger version of the (previous generation) CTS that was unfortunately off of everyone's radar. I'd rate it as comparable to a 7 series. ie - very good and sporty, but no, not an S-Class or true luxo-barge. I really hope that GM decides to replace it with something even better.
And, yes, GM sells Cadillac in China. The STS is still sold over there, where it has a much nicer interior than the U.S. version. My personal hope is that the Chinese interior/styling makes its way back over here.
Looking at the XTS information and auto show pictures, it looks like it's going to be exactly what we wanted. A bigger, better CTS for those who want a big executive cruiser and who don't want to deal with the insanity of the European brands when it comes to repairs and upkeep costs. (yes I know about BMW's program, but it's not going to help you on a 5 year old vehicle. )
#6128 of 6195 Re: Shifty you and I.... [lemko]
Jul 15, 2011 (7:48 am)
I like that CTS wagon. In another couple of years I can pick up a lightly used one for less than a new Accord. Nice.
#6129 of 6195 Re: Cadillac is Dying: Does Anyone Care Anymore? [plekto]
Jul 15, 2011 (10:19 am)
STS-V would be interesting and rare, but the rest...meh. It seems to have been about 3/4 finished, good for 2005, hard to justify still being sold mostly untouched in 2010.
XTS looks pretty cool. Caddy needs to build this image, not only an image of harsh angles for the sake of hard angles, and blingy SUVs beloved by wannabe gangstas, trophy wives, and old men.
Only at GM could the Chinese market offerings look interesting.
#6130 of 6195 Re: Cadillac is Dying: Does Anyone Care Anymore? [fintail]
Jul 15, 2011 (5:14 pm)
But the XTS "image" is what's being sold in China. I can't complain about improvements. The first gen vs 2nd gen CTS was just immensely better inside. I can SO stand more of that
#6131 of 6195 Re: Cadillac is Dying: Does Anyone Care Anymore? [plekto]
Jul 15, 2011 (6:07 pm)
GM does have a better image there than here - XTS is still in pre-production though, isn't it?
I know what you mean with the original CTS - a co-worker bought one when they were fairly new, and I remember looking it over...dashboard texture in particular turned me off.
#6132 of 6195 I don't think Cadillac
Jul 15, 2011 (6:30 pm)
will die, but I would simply place it as another bit player in the lower end luxury car market...years ago you had Caddy, Lincoln and Imperial, and the imports had few cars coming in here...in NY foreign dealers had many brands under one roof (Mercedes, Jag, BMW, maybe even Rolls and Bentley) simply because no one brand sold enough cars to create any volume or profits for the dealer...now, each brand individually can support a dealer, so you have separate Audi, Lexus, Infiniti, Jag, MB, BMW, etc...now Caddy is almost the only American "luxury" car and it is probably overshadowed by the foreign competition...
Caddy has a place at the table, just like Chevrolet, but Caddy will NEVER be a fraction of what it once was...and that crap about "Standard of the World" is almost shameful...maybe they should change the slogan to "American Luxury & Performance" which would probably describe it well...
#6133 of 6195 Re: Cadillac Falls Short [miked22]
Nov 01, 2011 (6:10 am)
2 months into the 08 SRX you said you loved it and looked forward to your drive each morning,,, 4 weeks into a new car is too soon to give a good review that could influence a potential buyer... I hope no one was affected by your premature assessment of this Vehicle...