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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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lemko by marsha7
Aug 12, 2009 (5:09 pm)
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Sorry, lemko, you ARE the last remaining Caddy buyer who bought his first at 24...please give it up...your beloved Cadillac Motor Cars is going down, along with Oldsmobile...
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Re: Flagship changes [xrunner2] by jimbres
Aug 12, 2009 (5:11 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Aug 12, 2009 5:56 am)

The customer is always right. If the Cadillac customer wants/demands a padded top, the dealer is happy to oblige.
 
But if Cadillac expects to have any credibility as a luxury brand, it simply has to win the hearts & minds of the buyers who have been voting German with their wallets since the 1980s. When these people see a Caddy with tacky dealer add-ons, it kills their interest in the car.
 
Let's be blunt. The sorts of people who find carriage tops & wide whitewalls attractive are too old, too poor & too badly educated to sustain a luxury brand. Cadillac has no future with these customers & it shouldn't hesitate to cut them loose. Let 'em drive Town Cars.
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Re: Flagship changes [lemko] by slimtire
Aug 12, 2009 (8:56 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 12, 2009 4:57 am)

I must say that I'm really surprised that you think the STS is too small. I'm 6'1" 185 lbs. There is nothing small about the Cadillac STS to me at all.
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Re: Flagship changes [jimbres] by slimtire
Aug 12, 2009 (9:06 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Aug 12, 2009 5:11 pm)

"But if Cadillac expects to have any credibility as a luxury brand, it simply has to win the hearts & minds of the buyers who have been voting German with their wallets since the 1980s. When these people see a Caddy with tacky dealer add-ons, it kills their interest in the car.
  
Let's be blunt. The sorts of people who find carriage tops & wide whitewalls attractive are too old, too poor & too badly educated to sustain a luxury brand. Cadillac has no future with these customers & it shouldn't hesitate to cut them loose. Let 'em drive Town Cars."

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Yes, and a brand that proudly builds tacky, impractical, GAUCHE, bling bling Cadillac Escalade trucks will never be seen as standard of the world. It makes most people that would gladly part with so much of their green for Lexus LS400 series and BMWs cringe with embarrassment.. These people would buy a Toyota Camry which is much less expensive before they spend their money on a Cadillac with these types of add-ons. But is GM paying attention? NO.
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BMW 3 Re: ?? not rocket science ?? Re: CTS V8 [circlew] by rayainsw
Aug 13, 2009 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Aug 12, 2009 10:41 am)

"I understand the complexity of designing and building a "perfect sedan". (The 3-series is real close, imho.)"
 
I have great respect for the BMW 3.
I drove a 335i the day before I bought the G8 GT.
But even the 328i EPA combined # is 22 - quite a ways from 30.
[ 18 city \ 28 highway ]
And the 335d is not quite there, either 27 combined.
[ 23 city \ 36 highway ]
- Ray
[ edit: I do wonder exactly what that future Caddy 3-fighter will
look like
handle like
accelerate like &
achieve for EPA #s ]
 
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Re: Flagship changes [jimbres] by lemko
Aug 13, 2009 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: jimbres (Aug 12, 2009 5:11 pm)

I never ordered or drove a Cadillac with any of that tacky add-on junk. My Cadillac is free of any of that stuff and looks as respectable as any of those heralded European marques:
 
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Re: Flagship changes [slimtire] by marsha7
Aug 13, 2009 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: slimtire (Aug 12, 2009 8:56 pm)

Slim: I believe the "problem" is that the rear seat is not very roomy, esp if the driver seat is set way back...
 
At the Auto Show, I sat in an STS...at 5'3", when I set the drivers seat, you could play professional soccer in the rear seat and I won't know it, with that much room...but if I extend the seat back for a tall person, rear seat room did seem to diminish...
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Re: Platform Sharing [lemko] by british_rover
Aug 13, 2009 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 12, 2009 5:02 am)

Its called the Cobalt SS with 260 direct injected turbo horsepower.
 
It blows away cars that are more then twice its price.
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Cash for Clunker by anythngbutgm
Aug 13, 2009 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 13, 2009 6:11 am)

Very clean! Especially for Black, wow!
 
Sadly, this clean one went to CFC, what a shame
 
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Re: Cash for Clunker [anythngbutgm] by lemko
Aug 13, 2009 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Aug 13, 2009 9:19 am)

Shoot, I'd have rescued that one and used it as my beater car. That truck behind it doesn't look bad either. C4C seems to becoming a tragic waste. If I were to C4C a car, it would have to be a smashed-up rusted-out hulk with an interior that looked like it was ravaged by a wildcat and belching blue and white smoke.

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