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#6062 of 6195 Re: Platform Sharing [slimtire]
Aug 11, 2009 (3:27 pm)
"......cooterbfd correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the newer Cadillacs that all have that CTSish look to them had their own proprietary platform from the ground up. And this seems to be working quite decently for Cadillac. "
No, they don't. The CTS and current (not 2010) SRX are based on GM's global sigma platform, while the STS and DTS use the old "G" platform that also underpins the Buick Lucerne. Platform sharing (in this regard) goes back to the "50's at least. ALL manufacturers with multiple nameplates share platforms.
The question is where does "platform sharing" end and "rebadging" begin. The biggest example of "shameless rebadging" on GM's part would be the Cavalier/Cimarron debacle.
Right now, the only GM car in America on the "Epsilon II" platform is the 2010 LaCrosse. Holden is looking at stretching this platform for use as a full size car, and the STS/DTS may very well end up using this version. Before the $4/gal gas hit, it was rumored that the big Caddy may have been placed on the "Zeta" RWD platform used for the Pontiac G8, and that the next Impala as well (needless to say, this has been scuttled).
#6063 of 6195 ?? not rocket science ?? Re: CTS V8 [circlew]
Aug 11, 2009 (4:39 pm)
“If I were directing Caddy design, I'd create a car that weighed no more than 3K LBS. and out-handles anything on the road that can carry 4 adults effectively and 3 golf bags, all packaged in the finest interior that money can buy for around $35- $40K.
This is not rocket science, just efficient propulsion and physics...and proper enthusiasm!”
Well, if it is not ‘rocket science’, then many car manufacturers must surely be selling large volumes of such vehicles in this country today.
#6064 of 6195 Re: Platform Sharing [cooterbfd]
Aug 11, 2009 (6:45 pm)
Whew! Well that was a thorough explanation
I'm just wondering why they haven't shared platforms before, specifically the Cadillac STS. Why wait till now?
And also the main thing is, many are concerned that sharing platforms that a model of car hasn't shared before will significantly affect the car's performance as far as handling and braking are concerned.
#6065 of 6195 Re: Caddy entry level sedan [fintail]
Aug 11, 2009 (9:17 pm)
I hope it's not another rebodied Saab
They can move the keyless starter from the center console to the dash where it belongs. And remove the jet parts.
#6066 of 6195 Re: Caddy entry level sedan [slimtire]
Aug 11, 2009 (9:18 pm)
Where are the spy shots or links to an illustration or photo of it?
Look, I'm just the messenger. This is GM, remember? They are announcing now; there will be a product in 3-5 years.
#6067 of 6195 Re: Platform Sharing [slimtire]
Aug 11, 2009 (9:20 pm)
I thought the newer Cadillacs that all have that CTSish look to them had their own proprietary platform from the ground up. And this seems to be working quite decently for Cadillac. If they start to share platforms that would seem like a regression instead of moving forward.
Sharing platforms does not necessarily mean there needs to be any resemblance between the vehicles other than general size (such as Camry/Venza/RX330). GM has REBADGED in the past but that is more than sharing a platform.
#6068 of 6195 Re: ?? not rocket science ?? Re: CTS V8 [rayainsw]
Aug 11, 2009 (11:49 pm)
You just about described the RX8 (and it's only 30K, loaded...)
GM should have bought Mazda years ago instead of crud like Saab and Daewoo.
#6069 of 6195 RX8? Re: ?? not rocket science ?? Re: CTS V8 [plekto]
Aug 12, 2009 (2:14 am)
"carry 4 adults effectively"??
#6070 of 6195 Re: Platform Sharing [slimtire]
Aug 12, 2009 (2:30 am)
"......I'm just wondering why they haven't shared platforms before, specifically the Cadillac STS."
They have. The original Seville was based on the same platform in 1976 as the Chevy Nova.
Any time a car moves to a new platform, performance can be significantly altered. It just is incumbent on the engineers to put the proper suspension and brake parts in place, and tell the accountants to "F" off when they start to meddle.
I'd be willing to bet that a Cobalt would stop on a dime if it had Brembo's all around.
#6071 of 6195 Re: Flagship changes [slimtire]
Aug 12, 2009 (4:57 am)
The STS, as it is, is too small for my tastes, looks too much like the lesser CTS, and is more expensive than the DTS if one desires a V-8. I purchased the DTS instead. Believe me, it is no "floaty ocean liner." It handles extremely well and feels as solid as a M1 Abrams tank.
As for GM not attracting younger buyers, I was only 24 when I bought my 1989 Cadillac Brougham. I bought my DTS two years ago when I was 42. My girlfriend was 37 when she bought a new 2005 Buick LaCrosse.