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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

6098 messages,  Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: Flagship changes [steve_] by slimtire
Aug 11, 2009 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 10, 2009 10:15 am)

Why not just drop the DTS? There is nothing wrong with the STS just the way it is. All they need to do is refine the interior. Once again, GM doesn't understand....,or perhaps they are not interested in attracting younger buyers
 
The DTS reminds me of a cousin of all those floaty "ocean liners" that many drove starting in the 1950s and 1970s. I guess some people like those kind of cars.
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Cadillac Cien and Cadillac 16 by slimtire
Aug 11, 2009 (3:00 pm)
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Do any people actually own these concept cars?b>
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Re: CTS V8 [fintail] by circlew
Aug 11, 2009 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 11, 2009 9:46 am)

Besides, with forced induction, they could bring back the 283 CI used for Chevy in the '60's and probably get in the high 20 MPG with around 300 - 350 hp and similar torque blown.
 
The trick will be to add the electronics to manage fuel efficiency and power as requested, regardless of 4, 6 or 8 cylinders (dialed-in power capability). No need for aftermarket CPU chips. Just dial in a combination and experience the results...power or economy and at any blend required.
 
If I were directing Caddy design, I'd create a car that weighed no more than 3K LBS. and out-handles anything on the road that can carry 4 adults effectively and 3 golf bags, all packaged in the finest interior that money can buy for around $35- $40K.
 
This is not rocket science, just efficient propulsion and physics...and proper enthusiasm!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Platform Sharing [slimtire] by cooterbfd
Aug 11, 2009 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: slimtire (Aug 11, 2009 2:34 pm)

"......cooterbfd correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the newer Cadillacs that all have that CTSish look to them had their own proprietary platform from the ground up. And this seems to be working quite decently for Cadillac. "
 
No, they don't. The CTS and current (not 2010) SRX are based on GM's global sigma platform, while the STS and DTS use the old "G" platform that also underpins the Buick Lucerne. Platform sharing (in this regard) goes back to the "50's at least. ALL manufacturers with multiple nameplates share platforms.
 
The question is where does "platform sharing" end and "rebadging" begin. The biggest example of "shameless rebadging" on GM's part would be the Cavalier/Cimarron debacle.
 
Right now, the only GM car in America on the "Epsilon II" platform is the 2010 LaCrosse. Holden is looking at stretching this platform for use as a full size car, and the STS/DTS may very well end up using this version. Before the $4/gal gas hit, it was rumored that the big Caddy may have been placed on the "Zeta" RWD platform used for the Pontiac G8, and that the next Impala as well (needless to say, this has been scuttled).
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?? not rocket science ?? Re: CTS V8 [circlew] by rayainsw
Aug 11, 2009 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Aug 11, 2009 3:07 pm)

“If I were directing Caddy design, I'd create a car that weighed no more than 3K LBS. and out-handles anything on the road that can carry 4 adults effectively and 3 golf bags, all packaged in the finest interior that money can buy for around $35- $40K.
  
This is not rocket science, just efficient propulsion and physics...and proper enthusiasm!”
 
Well, if it is not ‘rocket science’, then many car manufacturers must surely be selling large volumes of such vehicles in this country today.
 
For example???
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Re: Platform Sharing [cooterbfd] by slimtire
Aug 11, 2009 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Aug 11, 2009 3:27 pm)

Whew! Well that was a thorough explanation
 
I'm just wondering why they haven't shared platforms before, specifically the Cadillac STS. Why wait till now?
 
And also the main thing is, many are concerned that sharing platforms that a model of car hasn't shared before will significantly affect the car's performance as far as handling and braking are concerned.
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Re: Caddy entry level sedan [fintail] by tlong
Aug 11, 2009 (9:17 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 11, 2009 12:09 pm)

I hope it's not another rebodied Saab
 
They can move the keyless starter from the center console to the dash where it belongs. And remove the jet parts.
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Re: Caddy entry level sedan [slimtire] by tlong
Aug 11, 2009 (9:18 pm)
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Replying to: slimtire (Aug 11, 2009 2:29 pm)

Where are the spy shots or links to an illustration or photo of it?
 
Look, I'm just the messenger. This is GM, remember? They are announcing now; there will be a product in 3-5 years.
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Re: Platform Sharing [slimtire] by tlong
Aug 11, 2009 (9:20 pm)
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Replying to: slimtire (Aug 11, 2009 2:34 pm)

I thought the newer Cadillacs that all have that CTSish look to them had their own proprietary platform from the ground up. And this seems to be working quite decently for Cadillac. If they start to share platforms that would seem like a regression instead of moving forward.
 
Sharing platforms does not necessarily mean there needs to be any resemblance between the vehicles other than general size (such as Camry/Venza/RX330). GM has REBADGED in the past but that is more than sharing a platform.
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Re: ?? not rocket science ?? Re: CTS V8 [rayainsw] by plekto
Aug 11, 2009 (11:49 pm)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Aug 11, 2009 4:39 pm)

You just about described the RX8 (and it's only 30K, loaded...)
 
GM should have bought Mazda years ago instead of crud like Saab and Daewoo.

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