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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [jimbres] by plekto
Aug 10, 2009 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Aug 10, 2009 5:02 pm)

They don't *have* to redefine anything. The new CTS is exactly the same size and weight as a 5 series. Within a few inches at least, close enough to be considered in the same "class".
 
It's not as luxurious, naturally, but at $10-$20K less than a 5 series, well, it's not supposed to be. Consider it the Camry to the E class or the Hyundai to the Buick. Now, I do think that GM could drop $5K into the interior on the CTS and equal the BMW if it wanted to...
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Platform Sharing by alain_changer
Aug 10, 2009 (8:37 pm)
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Isn't this a bad idea that Cadillac is going to start sharing platforms with Buick, perhaps Chevy as well in the future.
 
There they go, cutting corners again. They'll never learn.
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Re: save caddy!! [circlew] by alain_changer
Aug 10, 2009 (9:09 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Aug 08, 2009 5:38 am)

circlew wrote:
"Then the initial release was fraught with many problems...typical GM. Where is the quality control? "
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Yes, and after conning the government to give them 50billion USA tax dollars, especially when they had the audacity to fly to Wash. D.C. in their private jets, and then emerging from bankruptcy; "typical GM" is not acceptable. It's supposed to be a new corporation.
 
No one with even the simple synapse firing in their brains is surprised that it's business as usual at GM. The only reason they needed the $50billion was so they could release themselves of the financial liabilities they had, such as retirement costs, health care costs, insurance, expensive employees, etc.. Also there is speculation that it was swindled money to further push their successful operations in China. Gee how American of them. Jeeez, give me a break :\
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Re: Flagship changes [fintail] by alain_changer
Aug 10, 2009 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 10, 2009 10:21 am)

"I saw a new STS yesterday. Carriage top, whitewalls, chrome wheels, the whole 9 yards. Any dealer who sells this stuff should lose their franchise. "
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You've just described a gauche pimp car
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Re: Flagship changes [fintail] by alain_changer
Aug 10, 2009 (9:28 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 10, 2009 12:07 pm)

They don't know the concept of brand equity obviously, otherwise they wouldn't manufacture that junk. You can't simultaneously have your name on a CTS and also on a factory produced pimped up DTS and expect top notch brand equity (standard of the world). It doesn't work that way
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [plekto] by alain_changer
Aug 10, 2009 (9:57 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 10, 2009 4:28 pm)

No, the 5 series don't sell as well, because quite simply, they are nowhere near as fun to drive
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Re: Platform Sharing [alain_changer] by anythngbutgm
Aug 11, 2009 (4:22 am)
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Replying to: alain_changer (Aug 10, 2009 8:37 pm)

Well, they've been doing it for a while actually, most recently the DTS and Lucerne. I believe the Allante and Reatta were shareed platforms as well. I'm guessing here, but I don't think these are the only two examples in GM history.
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Re: Flagship changes [carnaught] by xrunner2
Aug 11, 2009 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: carnaught (Aug 10, 2009 11:34 am)

Don't forget "padded top" on Cadillacs. See that frequently. Cadillac buyers apparently have good taste.
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Re: Flagship changes [alain_changer] by anythngbutgm
Aug 11, 2009 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: alain_changer (Aug 10, 2009 9:28 pm)

Agreed. I don't care if there is an ultimate CTS Sporting 1000 hp and is able to outrun a Bugati Veyron, if it is sharing floorspace with a FWD, luxoliner sporting a landau roof, wire wheels and curb feelers and a clumsy Schoolbus that has been pimped out to its gangsta-Rap finest or it's Blinged out Pickup truck cousin, there is no way in hell that the brand will be taken seriously as a true BMW/Mercedes alternative.
 
A fwd SRX to replace a C&D ten best pick isn't going to help the cause. And no amount of Led Zepplin is going to convince buyers that Cadillac is really trying to be anything other than what it's always been about. Bling.
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Re: Flagship changes [xrunner2] by slimtire
Aug 11, 2009 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Aug 11, 2009 4:25 am)

LOL! carnaught, that's just "wrong" (wink) What ever happened to opera lights? I kind of miss those actually. Actually I think the padded tops are what I always see drying out on cars that use them. They get cracked, dry and unsightly

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