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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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#5887 of 6098 Re: [jimbres] by lemko Feb 16, 2009 (6:49 pm)
Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 6:26 pm) I can't all you how Cadillac lost the magic because it still has a spell on me!   All I can say is that maybe Boomers' parents were right all along about their kids sitting too close to the TV. They've all lost much of their sight thinking any other car is more attractive than a Caddy. How else can a Bangled-up Bimmer look good unless you were going blind? Fortunately, I didn't waste my childhood sitting in front of the idiot box.   A little 3-Series with a stick and a sport package? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to get one of those old Datsun 510s to duplicate the experience? All that banging around in a tiny metal box is kind of the antithesis of luxury in my book. Replies to this message: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 7:53 pm) circlew (Feb 17, 2009 4:05 am) lemko (Feb 17, 2009 6:25 am) questiongeek (Jul 31, 2009 11:32 am) circlew (Feb 17, 2009 4:00 am)
#5888 of 6098 Re: [jimbres] by nvbanker Feb 16, 2009 (7:07 pm)
Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 6:26 pm) how did Caddy lose the magic?   Easy. They quit being the best in about 1980, and started putting real crap on the road. My 1983 Fleetwood Brougham was my first Cadillac, and it was lovely, except it had a 4.1L Aluminum V-8 that was slow, and self destructed in 20,000 miles, and constantly leaked. So I traded it on the downsized 1985 Fleetwood. Same engine though, FWD, and no, they didn't fix the engine. Same thing happened. Traded it on a 1987 Sixty Special. Oops, same damn engine, same damn thing happened, but I put some serious change into that car, so I kept it until 1990, and bought another Fleetwood. This one had a revised 4.5L engine in it, and wasn't so bad, but the rest of the car was just mediocre at best, and unreliable generally. That's when I switched to Lincoln, in 1992, and never went back. In 2002 I left Lincoln for Lexus, and feel no urges to go back to Cadillac, despite the good little CTS. And I do mean little....   Cadillac will never be the same, nor will the world. That's what went wrong with their magic, they got complacent, and the competition got smart. Replies to this message: lemko (Feb 17, 2009 6:15 am) bumpy (Feb 17, 2009 7:55 am) lemko (Feb 17, 2009 8:05 am) questiongeek (Jul 30, 2009 11:24 pm)
#5889 of 6098 Re: [jimbres] by lemko Feb 16, 2009 (6:56 pm)
It's pretty hard for any car, past or present, to be as beautiful as a 1961-65 Continental! The Navigator's got as much beauty as my mother's circa 1970 Hotpoint stove with instruments that remind me very much of it.   Of course I would be extremely proud to drive either my 1989 Cadillac Brougham or 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance to my high school reunion. Replies to this message: wvgasguy (Feb 16, 2009 7:03 pm) circlew (Feb 17, 2009 4:02 am)
#5890 of 6098 Re: [lemko] by wvgasguy Feb 16, 2009 (7:03 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 16, 2009 6:56 pm) Maybe the DTS, but seriously the 89 Brougham? Although you could haul yourself and 10 or 12 of your friends in it with you.
#5891 of 6098 Re: [lemko] by jimbres Feb 16, 2009 (7:53 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 16, 2009 6:49 pm) Ah, it's just as I thought: you can't drive a stick & your domineering girl friend won't let you learn. Too bad.   Still, you're partly right about the 3. It's not a luxury car & BMW shouldn't try to market it as one. Those of us who really like BMW aren't thrilled with the latest iteration of the 3-series. It's put on too much weight & it's losing its edge.   (And, BTW, the Datsun 510 was a genuinely cool car - cheap, durable & fun to drive.)   As for Cadillac, it won't be a serious contender in the luxury segment until it figures out how to attract status-conscious buyers from the Germans. A luxury brand can't stay alive by selling only to bargain hunters like you. It desperately needs people who crave the badge. Cadillac used to own these buyers. It has to get them back. Replies to this message: circlew (Feb 17, 2009 4:05 am) lemko (Feb 17, 2009 6:25 am) questiongeek (Jul 31, 2009 11:32 am)
#5892 of 6098 Re: [lemko] by circlew Feb 17, 2009 (4:00 am)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 16, 2009 6:49 pm) Try the current 3 before you surmise what banging around is. The hard-core bimmerfiles call it a BUICK! But it won't slam into the wall on a spirited turn and leave all current US cars in the dust.   Regards, OW
#5893 of 6098 Re: [lemko] by circlew Feb 17, 2009 (4:02 am)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 16, 2009 6:56 pm) Yup. That's the only place it will be in style...high school reunions!   Regards, OW
#5894 of 6098 Re: [jimbres] by circlew Feb 17, 2009 (4:05 am)
Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 7:53 pm) Heck,Hyundai will get them before Caddy gets them back. That will put them far deeper in the whole...until they loose the UAW and management of old, no chance in Hades!   Regards, OW
#5895 of 6098 Re: [nvbanker] by lemko Feb 17, 2009 (6:15 am)
Replying to: nvbanker (Feb 16, 2009 7:07 pm) Oh, I'm familiar with those early '80s Caddies and I avoid them like the plague. They're beautiful cars with awful engines. If I were Cadillac during that period, I'd have stuck with the 425 V-8 and given the eco-weenies and their stupid CAFE rules an upright middle finger until a decent alternative could be developed.   I've been doing well since I bought my first new Cadillac in 1989. I followed it up with a 1994 DeVille, a 2002 Seville STS, and my current DTS Performance. If they were so bad, I wouldn't keep buying them. Replies to this message: bumpy (Feb 17, 2009 7:55 am) lemko (Feb 17, 2009 8:05 am)
#5896 of 6098 Re: [jimbres] by lemko Feb 17, 2009 (6:25 am)
Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 7:53 pm) I learned to drive a stick a long time ago on a 1953 Chevrolet truck. I've followed up with driving my then-girlfriend's 1994 Jetta and my friend's BMW Z-4. It might be fun on the open road, but rowing through the gears in city traffic everyday would be tiresome at best.   Oh, my girlfriend - she's a very petite 5' 1" and weighs 99 lbs. She's far from "domineering."   I truly love the Cadillac marque. If a Caddy cost the same as a Bimmer or Benz, I would still buy it. Replies to this message: questiongeek (Jul 31, 2009 11:32 am)

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