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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
6098 messages, Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM
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Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 3:29 pm) 2008 Sales Total BMW division car 195,085 Total Mercedes-Benz car (I) 158,697 Total Lexus car (I) 151,567 Total Cadillac car 105,293 Total Acura car 83,282 Total Infiniti car (I) 79,799 Total Audi car (I) 74,551 Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 16, 2009 4:38 pm) You have "car" listed after each manufacturer. Does that mean the numbers don't include SUV/crossover models? If that is the case, I'm surprised by some of the numbers. I'd never guess that Audi is only 10k in sales from Acura. Pretty sad with all of deep discounts, Cadillac still can only muster a little more than 1/2 what BMW sells. Then again, Cadillac only has one vehicle like, BMW has several. I'd love to have a 3 Series, but the snob appeal is the main reason I won't buy one. I don't want to be associated with most of the wannabe pr!(k$ that drive them. But I do love the way they drive.
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Replying to: dieselone (Feb 16, 2009 5:08 pm) Ah, something that a UAW worker could only dream about building. Unless of course they move down to Greenville, SC near the BMW factory. And swear they hate the UAW and just love to build wonderful cars. 
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Replying to: dieselone (Feb 16, 2009 5:08 pm) I LEASED my car! To be a real serious Bimmer-phile, I need to see you in at least a 5-Series.
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Replying to: dieselone (Feb 16, 2009 5:08 pm) I just came of lease on a 330xi..it was the best car I've driven to date, damned the snob appeal. I could care less about that. The damn thing becomes part of your brain! Simply fantastic! No Caddy until the CTS in '08 could come close. Regards, OW
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 16, 2009 6:03 pm) You do know how to drive a stick, I assume. Don't forget to get back to me with an answer to the question that I asked a few posts back: how did Caddy lose the magic?
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 16, 2009 4:15 pm) Unfortunately for the domestic manufacturers, you can't build a strong luxury franchise around trucks, no matter how good they are. The core of any luxury brand has always been & will always be fast, sexy sedans & coupes. Next to an early 1960s Lincoln Continental - one of the most beautiful post-WWII American cars - a new Navigator looks like a over-chromed shoe box on wheels. Which one would you rather drive to your next high school reunion? |
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Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 6:26 pm)  All I can say is that maybe Boomers' parents were right all along about their kids sitting too close to the TV. They've all lost much of their sight thinking any other car is more attractive than a Caddy. How else can a Bangled-up Bimmer look good unless you were going blind? Fortunately, I didn't waste my childhood sitting in front of the idiot box. A little 3-Series with a stick and a sport package? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to get one of those old Datsun 510s to duplicate the experience? All that banging around in a tiny metal box is kind of the antithesis of luxury in my book. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 6:26 pm) Easy. They quit being the best in about 1980, and started putting real crap on the road. My 1983 Fleetwood Brougham was my first Cadillac, and it was lovely, except it had a 4.1L Aluminum V-8 that was slow, and self destructed in 20,000 miles, and constantly leaked. So I traded it on the downsized 1985 Fleetwood. Same engine though, FWD, and no, they didn't fix the engine. Same thing happened. Traded it on a 1987 Sixty Special. Oops, same damn engine, same damn thing happened, but I put some serious change into that car, so I kept it until 1990, and bought another Fleetwood. This one had a revised 4.5L engine in it, and wasn't so bad, but the rest of the car was just mediocre at best, and unreliable generally. That's when I switched to Lincoln, in 1992, and never went back. In 2002 I left Lincoln for Lexus, and feel no urges to go back to Cadillac, despite the good little CTS. And I do mean little.... Cadillac will never be the same, nor will the world. That's what went wrong with their magic, they got complacent, and the competition got smart. |
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