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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
6098 messages, Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM
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Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 3:29 pm) Cadillac would still be in the toilet if not for Lincoln. They built the Navigator in 1997 and Cadillac played follower with the 99 Escalade. Nothing else saved Cadillac but the BIG SUV. And GM still could not make money. They were selling big SUVs like there was no tomorrow and barely squeaking by. Of course the 1998 UAW Strike did not help matters for GM. While GM's design and engineering has not been earth shattering for decades. There labor relations has probably been their downfall. Their stupid promises to the UAW for retirees has to be held over the head of weak management. The real amazing part about GM is that they have not had to file for bankruptcy before this.
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Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 3:29 pm) 2008 Sales Total BMW division car 195,085 Total Mercedes-Benz car (I) 158,697 Total Lexus car (I) 151,567 Total Cadillac car 105,293 Total Acura car 83,282 Total Infiniti car (I) 79,799 Total Audi car (I) 74,551 Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 16, 2009 4:38 pm) You have "car" listed after each manufacturer. Does that mean the numbers don't include SUV/crossover models? If that is the case, I'm surprised by some of the numbers. I'd never guess that Audi is only 10k in sales from Acura. Pretty sad with all of deep discounts, Cadillac still can only muster a little more than 1/2 what BMW sells. Then again, Cadillac only has one vehicle like, BMW has several. I'd love to have a 3 Series, but the snob appeal is the main reason I won't buy one. I don't want to be associated with most of the wannabe pr!(k$ that drive them. But I do love the way they drive.
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Replying to: dieselone (Feb 16, 2009 5:08 pm) Ah, something that a UAW worker could only dream about building. Unless of course they move down to Greenville, SC near the BMW factory. And swear they hate the UAW and just love to build wonderful cars. 
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Replying to: dieselone (Feb 16, 2009 5:08 pm) I LEASED my car! To be a real serious Bimmer-phile, I need to see you in at least a 5-Series.
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Replying to: dieselone (Feb 16, 2009 5:08 pm) I just came of lease on a 330xi..it was the best car I've driven to date, damned the snob appeal. I could care less about that. The damn thing becomes part of your brain! Simply fantastic! No Caddy until the CTS in '08 could come close. Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 16, 2009 6:06 pm) |
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 16, 2009 6:03 pm) You do know how to drive a stick, I assume. Don't forget to get back to me with an answer to the question that I asked a few posts back: how did Caddy lose the magic?
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 16, 2009 4:15 pm) Unfortunately for the domestic manufacturers, you can't build a strong luxury franchise around trucks, no matter how good they are. The core of any luxury brand has always been & will always be fast, sexy sedans & coupes. Next to an early 1960s Lincoln Continental - one of the most beautiful post-WWII American cars - a new Navigator looks like a over-chromed shoe box on wheels. Which one would you rather drive to your next high school reunion? |
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Replying to: jimbres (Feb 16, 2009 6:26 pm)  All I can say is that maybe Boomers' parents were right all along about their kids sitting too close to the TV. They've all lost much of their sight thinking any other car is more attractive than a Caddy. How else can a Bangled-up Bimmer look good unless you were going blind? Fortunately, I didn't waste my childhood sitting in front of the idiot box. A little 3-Series with a stick and a sport package? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to get one of those old Datsun 510s to duplicate the experience? All that banging around in a tiny metal box is kind of the antithesis of luxury in my book. |
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