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#5864 of 6098 Re: I don't [circlew] by bumpy Jan 07, 2009 (11:23 am)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 11:12 am) 139 hp = 215 ft-lb at 3400 rpm. So much for that "flat torque curve" myth. Replies to this message: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 1:24 pm) bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm) circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) and 1 more...
#5865 of 6098 Re: I don't [bumpy] by circlew Jan 07, 2009 (1:24 pm)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 11:23 am) I still cringe at the power destruction in those dreaded years of economy and regulation.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm) circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) plekto (Jan 07, 2009 11:46 pm)
#5866 of 6098 Re: I don't [circlew] by bumpy Jan 07, 2009 (3:55 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 1:24 pm) I dunno, a lot of that "power" was ephemeral to begin with. The gross horsepower rating were hilariously exaggerated by the late '60s, and the vast majority of production was boring old moderate-compression engines with rather unimpressive ratings. More than anything else, it was the disappearance of the high-end stuff which created that Atlantean mindset in the '70s and '80s. Replies to this message: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) plekto (Jan 07, 2009 11:46 pm)
#5867 of 6098 Re: I don't [bumpy] by circlew Jan 07, 2009 (4:57 pm)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm) True, but when you knew where to look, the power was eons ahead of the next 20 -30 years.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: plekto (Jan 07, 2009 11:46 pm)
#5868 of 6098 Re: I don't [circlew] by plekto Jan 07, 2009 (11:46 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) It's no different than taking a current car and putting a racing header and exhaust, a chip(equivalent of modifying the carbs), removing the smog equipment, and dropping in a more aggressive cam...   Nearly double your HP right there. Of course, not legal outside of a race track or off-road. But yes, the cars back then made plenty of power. Mercedes had a 3.0L I-6 in 1964 that made 200HP. Smog equipment and the EPA just eviscerated cars in the U.S. for nearly 20 years.
#5869 of 6098 circle by marsha7 Jan 08, 2009 (1:49 pm)
Thanks for the info......................
#5870 of 6098 SRX video by 62vetteefp Jan 11, 2009 (2:57 pm)
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090105/VIDEO/301059726/1115
#5871 of 6098 Re: circle [marsha7] by nvbanker Feb 11, 2009 (4:37 pm)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 05, 2009 7:40 pm) All the D3 had to do was SIT IN and DRIVE any Accord, Prelude, Camry and a blind man could see the difference in quality, performance, and overall ergonomic design...sit in a Honda and everything is where it should be, easy to reach, nice tactile control, well designed...how could the Big 3 miss the pink elephant in the room???...how could they just not see it???   They saw it, marsha, they knew it, and they admitted that the Japanese cars were better than ours. And they WANTED to make our cars as good or better. What got in the was was cost. The Beancounters, to keep the company profitable unit by unit, scratched triple door seals, clear headlights, NVH engineering and sound insulation, etc., until our cars sounded like cornbinders and Toyotas sounded like sewing machines...... We WANTED to do it, but could not because of the short term wall street mentality, even build the car they want to build.
#5872 of 6098 Shortcuts by steve_ HOST Feb 11, 2009 (6:24 pm)
A bit of messed up Velcro and the blog posters go ballistic.   2008 Cadillac CTS: Shortcuts That Try My Patience     It could be a worse design however.
#5873 of 6098 nvbanker by marsha7 Feb 13, 2009 (9:18 am)
I can understand ignoring it in the 70s and 80s, as the tidal wave of imports had not gained sufficient momentum for Big 3 to literally ring the bells of desperation...   But by the 90s, with Acura, Lexus and Infinit, and the increasing sales of the lower level Honda, Toyota and Nissan, the tsunami from the underlying earthquake (shades of Indonesia) was beyond obvious...the elephant was standing on their feet, and they still pretended like nothing was happening...   For all the fault of management, if I was a UAW worker, especially on Lincoln and Cadillac luxury cars, I would have been wondering why "my product" was not as good as the brand new competition from Japan...   I understand why a little child covers its eyes because of the "monster" that hides in a dark closet...but I expect a little better from adults making Cadillacs, and that is probably my biggest failing, expecting Big 3 workers to act like intelligent adults... Replies to this message: cooterbfd (Feb 13, 2009 2:40 pm)

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