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#5859 of 6098 Re: 62 [marsha7] by 62vetteefp Jan 07, 2009 (5:20 am)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 06, 2009 6:21 pm) So what were the torques? Was the V8 torque anemic?
#5860 of 6098 Re: HP \ TQ [circlew] by fintail Jan 07, 2009 (8:47 am)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:24 am) You mean 0-60 in 8.0, right? Replies to this message: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 11:03 am)
#5861 of 6098 I don't by marsha7 Jan 07, 2009 (10:36 am)
remember the tork figures, but since the engibe was the same 302 I had in my 1983 Grand Marquis (listed at 130 HP, tork unknown) and the acceleration of my GM was like a "Lead Sled", I am quite sure that the "upgraded" 302 was just as anemic...we figured out that the only way we could quickly accelerate was to drive off a cliff, and even then we thought that the friction of the huge "boat" would slow down its acceleration, violating the laws of gravity... Replies to this message: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 11:12 am) bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 11:23 am) circlew (Jan 07, 2009 1:24 pm) and 3 more...
#5862 of 6098 Re: HP \ TQ [fintail] by circlew Jan 07, 2009 (11:03 am)
Replying to: fintail (Jan 07, 2009 8:47 am) Correct! 1/4 was 16.0. Thanks for the catch!   Sounds slow now but felt quick then. Mustang was 14.0 I believe with the same engine.   Regards, OW
#5863 of 6098 Re: I don't [marsha7] by circlew Jan 07, 2009 (11:12 am)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 07, 2009 10:36 am) Torque was probably 250 ft/lbs.   1983 5.0 (302 ci) 139 hp 3400 rpm 250 ft/lb 2000 rpm   Regards, OW Replies to this message: bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 11:23 am) circlew (Jan 07, 2009 1:24 pm) bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm) and 2 more...
#5864 of 6098 Re: I don't [circlew] by bumpy Jan 07, 2009 (11:23 am)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 11:12 am) 139 hp = 215 ft-lb at 3400 rpm. So much for that "flat torque curve" myth. Replies to this message: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 1:24 pm) bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm) circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) and 1 more...
#5865 of 6098 Re: I don't [bumpy] by circlew Jan 07, 2009 (1:24 pm)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 11:23 am) I still cringe at the power destruction in those dreaded years of economy and regulation.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm) circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) plekto (Jan 07, 2009 11:46 pm)
#5866 of 6098 Re: I don't [circlew] by bumpy Jan 07, 2009 (3:55 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 1:24 pm) I dunno, a lot of that "power" was ephemeral to begin with. The gross horsepower rating were hilariously exaggerated by the late '60s, and the vast majority of production was boring old moderate-compression engines with rather unimpressive ratings. More than anything else, it was the disappearance of the high-end stuff which created that Atlantean mindset in the '70s and '80s. Replies to this message: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) plekto (Jan 07, 2009 11:46 pm)
#5867 of 6098 Re: I don't [bumpy] by circlew Jan 07, 2009 (4:57 pm)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm) True, but when you knew where to look, the power was eons ahead of the next 20 -30 years.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: plekto (Jan 07, 2009 11:46 pm)
#5868 of 6098 Re: I don't [circlew] by plekto Jan 07, 2009 (11:46 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) It's no different than taking a current car and putting a racing header and exhaust, a chip(equivalent of modifying the carbs), removing the smog equipment, and dropping in a more aggressive cam...   Nearly double your HP right there. Of course, not legal outside of a race track or off-road. But yes, the cars back then made plenty of power. Mercedes had a 3.0L I-6 in 1964 that made 200HP. Smog equipment and the EPA just eviscerated cars in the U.S. for nearly 20 years.

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