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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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"The automaker sold nearly 148,000 Cadillacs in January through November, including about 14,800 SRXs. But Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus division sold five times as many RXs."...and I am quite sure that no one held a gun to the head of the RX buyers... circle, you make the point clearly...D3, while making cars that some folks want (their sales aren't zero, after all, they still sell in the millions), the "imports" seem to pay more attention to the buyer, since every RX sales was a cannibalized D3 sale, at one point... Reading books lately about auto trade (Comeback, The End of Detroit, Call Me Roger), each book describes the Japanese as companies who try and determine what the customer wants, rather then make what they want and try to sell it...also, Japanese seem to be receptive to feedback from their dealers, in terms of complaints and desires of the customers...The Sienna and Odyssey seem to be designed that way, literally taking 1000s of customers from Chrysler's minivans, as Chrysler just let their design get old while Japanese tried to improve an already good idea... As much as I admire the Japanese for their products and methods of efficient manufacturing, at times I really get PO'd at our Big 3, asking myself how they could miss the onslaught in the 1980s, as plants were built here and their sales were exploding from zero... All the D3 had to do was SIT IN and DRIVE any Accord, Prelude, Camry and a blind man could see the difference in quality, performance, and overall ergonomic design...sit in a Honda and everything is where it should be, easy to reach, nice tactile control, well designed...how could the Big 3 miss the pink elephant in the room???...how could they just not see it??? In 1988, I bought a Prelude and a Legend...the Prelude had a 2 liter engine that put out 135 HP, the Legend had a V6 that put out 165 HP...that same year, IIRC, the BIG V8 (302 CID, 5.0 liter) engine in the Ford put out 160 HP...so, the V8 was 2.5 times as large as my Prelude, yet only 25 HP more...in a tank...and the V8 put out 5 HP LESS than my puny V6 in the Legend...couldn't they see ANYTHING???
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 05, 2009 7:40 pm) My 1988 Buick Park Avenue has a 165 HP V-6. That doesn't seem too impressive nowadays, but the car is still no slouch and seems to have a lot of pep. |
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My criticism was that the Ford V8 only put out 160 HP that year, IIRC...their ads bragged about "V8 power" when it was sickeningly anemic...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 06, 2009 3:58 pm)
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Of course you are right, HP isn't everything...but the torque of the V8 was probably as anemic as the HP...certainly not like some diesel, with 175 HP but 400 ft lb of tork, eh???
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 06, 2009 5:26 pm) |
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By 1985, the Mustang V8 power was 210 \ 270. And that TQ curve was broad & flat. In '87 = 225 \ 300. The 'feel' was quite different than you'd find with a typical 4 cyl Prelude... - Ray TQ junkie
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Replying to: rayainsw (Jan 07, 2009 4:02 am) 225 hp (168 kW) 300 lbf.ft (407 Nm) SEFI (1988 - 1992 ALL) w/ AOD 4 Speed Automatic Regards, OW
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 06, 2009 6:21 pm) |
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 07, 2009 4:24 am) 
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