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Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 28, 2008 7:32 pm) uh, the same incentive they have for building them in the US today? you think Honda will just pack their bags if GM goes under? you think creating artificial jobs with tax payer dollars makes sense? How fair is that to Honda, Toyota and Nissan who have plants here and employ Americans with decent paying jobs that quite frankly are alot more secure than any employee at GM. If you can't beat em, join em. If you can't join em, then you'll go under. This isn't about saving an endagered species. "First of all, gas was $1 a gallon when GM was lobbying for that (Hummer tax credit). Why wouldn't you do what you can to encourage people into a vehicle you make $10 grand profit on???" Because it showed a lack of vision while Toyota was busy developing the Prius. I'm amaized that even through hindsight you can't see that. And part of that $10 grand in profit came at the expense of the tax payers. We should be giving tax credits to people who are willing to conserve energy, not needlessly burn it up.
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Nov 11, 2008 1:27 pm) I don't think Honda will "pack it in", but if they share suppliers of components with the Big 3, and the supplier goes under or is unable to supply Honda with any extra components to pick up the slack for the needed demand of their cars, they'll just import them or the whole cars to NA from wherever else they are made. From this point on, there will be no incentive to add plants. What incentive is there to build TV's here??? NONE!! How many are built here??? None. |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 11, 2008 6:26 pm) With TVs, there aren't many differences from one market to the next. What sells well in east Asia will probably sell just as well in Europe & North America. But vehicles require much more market-specific differentiation. For example, hatchbacks sell very well in western Europe but bomb in North America. With cars, if you don't have a plant in a market, then you won't be a serious player in that market. |
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I get to drive a new Cadillac CTS today. Cadillac sure sweated the details as even the geniune stitching on the dashboard lines up with the geniune stitching on the doors, (no more of that cruddy molded-in stuff of the past). Even the key fob and key are nicely detailed - each sporting a raised chrome wreath & crest with colored inlays. The fit and finish in this car is amazing. What once sported hard plastic surfaces is now high-quality soft touch material.
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 12, 2008 7:15 am) I think the Citation had that crud on the seats. Whoever thought that plastic-mold-stitch was a good idea?  Did you manage to find the trunk release on the CTS? |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 11, 2008 6:26 pm) If you have 5 restaurants in your town, and 1 closes, the other 4 are going to do better, because the number of restaurants does not affect the demand to go out and eat. And I think some of the better GM products would get bought up. Some manufacturer would come in and buy the CTS plant and rights to sell it. Similarly other GM products would get built under some other name - the Corvette in Bowling Green would still get built, under some nameplate.
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 12, 2008 10:59 am) In theory, yes as the other 4 restaurants will just call Sysco and order up more food to make. But with such small profit margins, it's possible that if Honda's CV joint supplier is the same as GM's, and they can't afford to retool to make Honda Cv joints to meet their extra demand, or can't retool fast enough, then maybe Honda imports CV joints from a factory that supplies them for their foreign markets, and that is all it takes for that US supplier to go belly up.
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 12, 2008 2:36 pm) Per the experts if GM or Ford shut down the whole US industry shuts down for a year. Personally that seems a bit long. I think the companies that build the same vehicles overseas are looking right now on how they would import the needed parts. But it would take time to get all the parts needed. Longest lead time would be parts only used in US. |
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I'm not sure how you'll grow to be a "standard" when you discount a new 08 STS by about $10,000 and when I drive it away the trade in value is already $10,000 less than what I paid for it, even after the huge discount. I'm glad they wanted to give me low KBB less the cost of tires for my trade because I walked away from the deal. I believe they may have a chance as the ultimate used car value though. |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 12, 2008 7:15 am) Why Lemko! I never thought I'd hear you actually admit that GM interiors of the past we cruddy! Which they were, IMO...... 
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