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#5788 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [lemko] by jimbres Oct 31, 2008 (9:02 am)
Replying to: lemko (Oct 31, 2008 5:49 am) Ah, one of those colorful Pennsylvania-Dutch expressions.   The equally colorful NY equivalent is "piece of s---".
#5789 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [jimbres] by cooterbfd Oct 31, 2008 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: jimbres (Oct 31, 2008 8:18 am) Well, I must say that NY has NOTHING on RI when it comes to high taxes. Unfortunately, as far as the legislatures (state and federal), lobbyists probably account for more wasteful spending and higher taxes than a $100k cop.   Would I build a plant in NY??? Well, I've thought about that for RI as well, and I'd say yes, as NY could be a central spot for supplying the entire northeast, from Md. to Me., as well as southern Ontario. Also, if a company (say VW) were there, they could, in essence, use local ports to export cars back to Germany.   I do agree that here up North, we have to get our ducks in a row as far as taxes and other types of regulations go, but I don't think that unionization should be enough to scare people away from up here.
#5790 of 6098 by m4d_cow Nov 01, 2008 (10:58 pm)
"The Oshawa plant where the Camaro, and hopefully future Zetas, are built is consistently one of the highest quality plants in the US." Huh? I thought Oshawa build Hummers??? Or is it Mishawa... something.... Fairly speaking yes I do hear good things about cars built there, but I've yet to hear any good reviews on GM's other plants. The big question is: how is GM going to improve things when only 1 or 2 plants are doing great jobs?   "I do not know where the exchange rate would put the US built G8 at but you sure are going the wrong way. It would be cheaper here. And US GM is selling it at quite a bit lower price than what the same vehicle is sold for in' Austrailia. " Err, the GM products sold in Aussie are priced higher because they come from the European market division, where the Euro-Dollar rate affects pricing more than Aussie dollar to US dollar. The bomber is the fact that most European market parts are NOT avaialable in the US plants, leaving only 2 options should they wish to build foreign GM cars in US: 1) Replace the foreign parts with local parts, or 2) Produce these parts or import them to US plants. The former will lower both cost AND the vehicle quality, while the latter will bloat the price even more.   "He roots for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of AMERICANS to LOSE THEIR JOBS. He's not OW, he's GW. " My goodness. Honestly, I feel sorry for those losing their jobs, but its NOT OUR FAULT. Do I feel simpathy? Yes. Do I care to save them by buying GM products? I sure as hell dont. I'm not talking patriotism here, people, I'm talking cold hard reality. When its my turn to choose a side, I choose with my green, my hard earned green, not my red-white-blue. This is reality, and I KNOW I'm with the majority. Why do most Americans buy foreign? Because they choose logic over patriotism. Should "buy american" really resonate with customers, foregners like Honda would've lost a huge chunk of sales by now. Years from now, when quality really catch up (assuming it really happens), buyers will turn back to domestics, I'll take a second look when it happens. I wont buy Cadillac Ford etc the same way I'd stay away from RCA like plague. Yes I did consider STS but not anymore, too many bad reviews there. OTOH I will buy American, in the form of Apple and Intel. Oh wait, theyre built in China now, whatever. Do I care if companies like RCA, GM and FoMoCo perish? Nope. Its competition = its inevitable. Oh and btw, I used to drive a Ford Escape, so unless I'm totally mistaken I think its made in US.   "In addition to what you say about Hummers, at the time GM had canceled an electric car of theirs that was in demand (EV1) to promote the environmentally grotesque and obscene Hummer line, which now thankfully seems to be going the way of the dodo bird. " Now this is somewhat absurd. Sorry, media, but the so called EV is in high demand by a bunch of loyalist. Second, lets not forget the cost of development, including battery chargers, will bloat the vehicle price UNLESS heavy federal incentives are on the way, which will NOT happen because our government dont have the money!!!!! However I'm interested in how the Volt will fare.   See? I dont dish GM all the time, just most of the time
#5792 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [cooterbfd] by nvbanker Nov 03, 2008 (11:17 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 30, 2008 2:20 pm) I agree generally, with Cooter. Competition, the free market, and yes, even greed are good for the consumer at the end of the line. It's what has given us the quality of cars we have today. Do you think for one minute GM would be building the Malibu of today were it not for Toyota and Honda building Camcords like they do? Nope - they would still be putting out the 1977 Cutlass, with doors that won't shut without lifting them up, engines that get 7 mpg, and bodies that rust in the showroom..... Sure, only the strong survive, and that can be devastating to those who are weak, or don't change rapidly enough, but the consumer is getting a great car now at a decent price because of the free market and competition. Replies to this message: circlew (Nov 03, 2008 3:16 pm)
#5793 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [nvbanker] by circlew Nov 03, 2008 (3:16 pm)
Replying to: nvbanker (Nov 03, 2008 11:17 am) Yes, best interior for any car GM put out for many, many years...the thing is they are always so far behind the curve. Your post is dead nuts on.   Regards, OW
#5794 of 6098 Easy FIX by zoomzoomdlr Nov 03, 2008 (4:37 pm)
Step #1 - Scrap Buick Step #2 - Stop using global platforms for Caddy. Step #3 - Keep LaNeve out Step #4 - Decide who your target demographic is Step #5 - Cater to ONE demographic and do it better than everyone else Step #6 - Defect from GM altogether. Replies to this message: cooterbfd (Nov 03, 2008 4:55 pm) 62vetteefp (Nov 05, 2008 3:47 am)
#5795 of 6098 Re: Easy FIX [zoomzoomdlr] by cooterbfd Nov 03, 2008 (4:55 pm)
Replying to: zoomzoomdlr (Nov 03, 2008 4:37 pm) Just go back to Mazdaland where you belong. Stop trolling or say something meaningful, not snide.
#5796 of 6098 People don't forget bad experiences by lokki Nov 04, 2008 (1:09 pm)
People don't forget bad experiences and that's not just about GM.   My grandfather had (according to family legend) the steering wheel come off in his hands on his new '49 Ford. Whatever the truth to that story, he would never buy a Ford after that, and none of his four children ever did either, and that's verifiable fact. 50 years of lost customers from one defect.   It's also a fact that many people still don't believe in GM's reliability, no matter how good it's gotten over the past several years. GM needs something to change people's perceptions. It's that or suffer through another generation of lost sales.   I keep wanting GM to do something dramatic to demonstrate the quality of its new cars..... Say, take a CTS to Times Square, and have it running at 70 mph day and night on a demo platform for a year with robot arms opening and closing the doors and trunk, with the lights flashing on and off, stereo blasting - oil changes done with the engine running etc.   The idea is that nothing should break during the test. It might not really be an effective test or prove anything in truth, but it would be a great advertisement.   This kind of thing is nothing new - recall Volvo running over a line of cars with a Monster Truck (OK - they got caught cheating, but GM wouldn't cheat this time) and Mercedes did it a few years ago with 3 diesels going 100,000 miles nonstop. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=105899   I think it would be a great attention-getter. Replies to this message: tlong (Nov 04, 2008 10:36 pm)
#5797 of 6098 Re: People don't forget bad experiences [lokki] by tlong Nov 04, 2008 (10:36 pm)
Replying to: lokki (Nov 04, 2008 1:09 pm) I think it would be a great attention-getter.   Nah. Too innovative for GM.   That's one reason I see Ford as having a better chance. Even if they don't have a lot of money to develop new cars, they take an old Focus platform and put SYNC in it. They work on a new Fusion and it has an innovative dash display. They also have Mazda which adds a lot of innovation - better than GM's sources such as Holden IMHO. And Ford is much less bloated and has a better cash position. And if GM gets Chrysler, well, 10 divisions here we come...

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