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#5779 of 6098 Re: Quality [tlong] by 62vetteefp Oct 30, 2008 (3:25 am)
Replying to: tlong (Oct 29, 2008 8:49 pm) So why did the do it in the first place? Did they think it *would* be viable and then found out too late that was not the case? Or did they just want to showcase some technology even though it wasn't ever going to amount to anything?   It was required by California mandate.   CARB devised a mandate for our most-populous state which says that the six largest auto companies must sell 10% of their products in the form of zero-emissions vehicles (ZEVs) by 2003--and ZEV means electric vehicle.   REad this article for lots of good EV1 data.   http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FWH/is_/ai_76445141 Replies to this message: tlong (Oct 30, 2008 7:29 am)
#5780 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [62vetteefp] by circlew Oct 30, 2008 (3:28 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Oct 29, 2008 7:30 pm) Did you ever read the book "Who Moved My Cheese?"   The Steel Mills went through this and PA was in bad shape back then. The auto industry is undergoing the same process. Change is always good even though you might have to go through some pain.   I look at it as an opportunity to try new things. You can't stop change even though it seems hard sometimes. No one can really hurt you at the end of the day.   REgards, OW Replies to this message: lemko (Oct 31, 2008 5:55 am) circlew (Oct 31, 2008 8:39 am)
#5781 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [62vetteefp] by kernick Oct 30, 2008 (4:44 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Oct 29, 2008 7:30 pm) I went thru similar. 20 years ago I bought a townhouse for $92K. While I didn't work there, the closure of Wang and Digital computers in the area sent the real estate market into a steep slide. The condo was worth about $30K five years later when I got a new job about 75 miles away. This was the price because many people were just walking away from their properties as they owed more then they would be auctioned for.   I kept my place, and rented it. Lo and behold other businesses rented these buildings, and new jobs came in. I sold my condo about 5 years after renting for $110K.   So while no one necessarily wants to move or to change jobs, its part of life. I now work at a company that was in a family for 95 years, but was sold 2 years ago, and there are all sorts of changes. It happens.   If GM goes under and it will someday - check how many companies 50 or 100 years ago in the Dow 30 are still around; then you adapt. Autos will still need to be made somewhere, and Detroit will have to make it look competitive for someone to do business there.
#5782 of 6098 Re: Quality [62vetteefp] by tlong Oct 30, 2008 (7:29 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Oct 30, 2008 3:25 am) It was required by California mandate.   62, thanks for the info.
#5783 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [tlong] by cooterbfd Oct 30, 2008 (2:20 pm)
Replying to: tlong (Oct 29, 2008 9:03 pm) "No, all of this competition across the country is GOOD. I'm in a very high tax state (CA), and it's GOOD that other states can steal work and companies from us. CA deserves to hurt if they overtax us and make us business-unfriendly. It's GOOD that FL has no state income taxes, people retire to FL and it supports their economy. Any state that cannot compete should SUFFER. Anybody who can't find work in their state when there's lots of work elsewhere should MOVE"   Well, in that case maybe we should rename ourselves the Every State for Themself of America instead of UNITED.   I'm not saying that competition is bad, it IS good. Bad decisions SHOULD be punnished with bad results. But to say that states that CAN'T (as opposed to WON'T) compete should suffer is wrong.   I'm sure that an entertainment company could "out Disney" Disney, and RI could give them all the incentives in the world to do so, but the fact that it averages 39 degrees in the winter makes that IMPLAUSIBLE. Not RI's fault, just a fact of life, and we souldn't be punnished for it.   I'm all for states rights, but there comes a point in time where the federal government has to step in for the "GOOD OF THE COUNTRY".   Labor laws, for example, should be standardized throughout the country. Replies to this message: jimbres (Oct 31, 2008 8:18 am) cooterbfd (Oct 31, 2008 1:13 pm) nvbanker (Nov 03, 2008 11:17 am) circlew (Nov 03, 2008 3:16 pm)
#5784 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [jimbres] by lemko Oct 31, 2008 (5:49 am)
Replying to: jimbres (Oct 29, 2008 2:48 pm) "Hooptie" is synonymous with jalopy or beater car. Replies to this message: jimbres (Oct 31, 2008 9:02 am)
#5785 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [circlew] by lemko Oct 31, 2008 (5:55 am)
Replying to: circlew (Oct 30, 2008 3:28 am) A more apt title should be "Who Stole My Cheese?" If you think everything is cool with those former PA steel towns these days, you're dead wrong. They're either ghost towns or ghettoes these days. Replies to this message: circlew (Oct 31, 2008 8:39 am)
#5786 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [cooterbfd] by jimbres Oct 31, 2008 (8:18 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 30, 2008 2:20 pm) Good post, but I have to agree with tlong on this. I live in NY, possibly the most highly taxed state of all (particularly for those of us who live downstate), & I'm certain that our esteemed lawmakers would drive our taxes even higher if there were no competition from lower-taxed states.   After all, it was a New Yorker who coined the expression, "No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the Legislature is in session”. That was in 1866 - more than 140 years ago. Things haven't gotten better since then.   We're grossly over-taxed not for reasons beyond our control, like the weather, but because we've become a paradise for public employees. We not only have more of them but we pay each of them more money. Civil service unions wield enormous political clout here, & they make it almost impossible to reduce their numbers or their salaries.   In my county, for example, the base salary for a patrol officer with 5 years of experience is $100K. Sergeants & higher ranks make more, & overtime sweetens the pot further.   Given this, would you build an auto plant or any other factory in NY? Replies to this message: cooterbfd (Oct 31, 2008 1:13 pm)
#5787 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [lemko] by circlew Oct 31, 2008 (8:39 am)
Replying to: lemko (Oct 31, 2008 5:55 am) Do you think everyone just stayed put and felt sorry for themselves? I doubt that.   You follow the cheese.   Regards, OW
#5788 of 6098 Re: With the Big Three gone... [lemko] by jimbres Oct 31, 2008 (9:02 am)
Replying to: lemko (Oct 31, 2008 5:49 am) Ah, one of those colorful Pennsylvania-Dutch expressions.   The equally colorful NY equivalent is "piece of s---".

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