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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Oct 27, 2008 2:39 pm) Human nature isn't necessarily logical or reasonable. I've been trying to kick a grudge against Volvo since '74. One thing that has helped was having a friend drive an 80's model (and loaning it to me now and then) for 20 years without mechanical drama, and my sister loved her early 90's wagon that she got used and drove for probably 12 years. Maybe happy Caddy owners need to blog more,
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 27, 2008 6:00 pm) You did hit it on the head in a big way. Just read an article comparing Obama supporters to McCain supporters. Obama supporters drove foreign/hybrid/smaller cars while McCain drive american/trucks. I am making an assumption but many of McCain supporters are older/conservative and not spending a lot of time on the internet. So we see a lot of the Japanese owners here and fewer domestic. Now, I would sure love to see a survey that asks american vs. japanese buyers and how much time they spend on the net. http://www.freep.com/article/20081026/NEWS15/810260451/1002/PRINT |
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Replying to: circlew (Oct 27, 2008 4:56 pm) Like I said, CTS, G8, and Malibu and the Lambdas are a great start. Camaro is next. Like I said before, I pray every night for the people that are loosing their jobs not only in US Auto but ALL industries. Like OW, I may come across as very critical but I assure everybody that I want the US auto makers to succeed. I've watched Apple hit almost 100% home runs for the past 5 years, putting out quality products that everybody wants to own. I've watched Pixar send out a stream of blockbuster movies, and in about 7 films there is NOT ONE turd! I've watched Toyota and Honda put out a high percentage of excellent, reliable vehicles. Well GM has the Malibu and CTS,.... and everything else. I'd love to see them put out some great products, but they are very uneven. Part of that is they suffer from a very bloated structure and they have only (very late) started focusing on great products. You can't forgive people for seeing 30 years of mediocrity and them wondering if it is really any different. Unfortunately the market is now very bad and the weak are going to have big trouble surviving. Many of us have been complaining for years in these forums and what looked like aggressive moves by GM maangement were just wound dressing on a bleeding patient. We're really all on the same team, we want the U.S. to be something to be proud of, but the U.S. auto industry, with rare exceptions, is NOT Pixar, is NOT Apple. Now we are out of time and it is such a shame. |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 27, 2008 2:24 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Oct 28, 2008 5:33 am) my "import", a honda Pilot, was built here in the US thank you. Don't you think there will be a few people discusted at GM for taking $25 Billion in tax payer money? Why on earth would we give them $25B when they don't make cars that the public want? While the Prius was being designed, albiet with help from the Japanese Government, GM was busy lobbying congress to provide tax breaks for people who bought Hummers!
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Oct 28, 2008 6:34 pm) What incentive does Honda have to build more plants here if the Big 3 go belly up and Honda needs the extra capacity to make up for the demand created by the loss of Big 3 products??? "While the Prius was being designed, albiet with help from the Japanese Government, GM was busy lobbying congress to provide tax breaks for people who bought Hummers! " First of all, gas was $1 a gallon when GM was lobbying for that. Why wouldn't you do what you can to encourage people into a vehicle you make $10 grand profit on??? Second, you answered your own question. If Japanese taxpayers can foot the bill for development of the Prius, why can't we foot the bill for the development of the Volt?? Third of all, with the credit crunch, banks CAN'T lend that kind of money. Under normal circumstances, I'll bet the Big 3 would get financing, albeit it would cost them an arm and a leg considering their precarious positions.
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 28, 2008 7:32 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Oct 27, 2008 10:36 am) ______________________________ in response to: As far as quality our friend again has no facts to back him up (other than some nebulous business model). The Oshawa plant where the Camaro, and hopefully future Zetas, are built is consistently one of the highest quality plants in the US. I think the G8 would/will be built there but GM, like other business's are holding up spending any money, are temporarily delaying programs until things turn around. Not many houses being built around the country when there is a huge backlog of unsold homes. One big spiral downward until it turns around. GM was late to the quality business model and it has caught up with them. Do you think US citizens are buying Hondas and Toyotas because they are anti-American?? Come on. Nebulous! |
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