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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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#5487 of 6098 by m4d_cow Sep 19, 2008 (10:06 pm)
"I don't think Cadillac should try to build a car that is better than some BMW, but should instead build cars that together form a line up of vehicles that customers will want to buy" This I agree. Nissan is a good example. Remember Nissan going all Toyota wannabe in the 90s? Sales slipped and they almost went bankrupt. Then they suddenly came back with the 2002 Altima, offering, to some degree, sportiness and agressive styling it's competitors lacking in. Add 350Z and sales suddenly jumped back up. Whats cadillac's theme? Have they really got one? Of course, as most competitors already have their own vision, its a tough job for cadillac. BMW offers sporty luxo car, MB offer luxury1st-sport 2nd car, Audi offers awd convenience and amazing interior quality. Add Lexus, which focus on luxury 1st, sports a distant 2nd, or Infiniti which offers value priced sporty luxo car as definite alternative to BMWs. Acura stick with big value and loaded standard features (or used to....).   The American BMW concept is definitely falling....   Cadillac, from what I see, seems to try too hard to build an American BMW-MB 2-in-1 car, offering BMWs handling sharpness and MB's softer ride at THEIR PRICE. Bad idea imo, I prefer to start as value player 1st, like Lexus did years ago, and then, when the brand finally re-established itself as a luxury player, go ahead and choose the more ambitious path, the customers will be ready to accept. I dont understand why Cadillac is rushing.....   Of course, Cadillac isnt the only one. BMW really messed their own vision of "sheer driving pleasure" with the 6 and 7 series. More lexus-MB than BMW imo. Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 20, 2008 12:58 pm)
#5488 of 6098 Re: Bustleback Seville and a question. [carfanforever] by sls002 Sep 20, 2008 (12:53 pm)
Replying to: carfanforever (Sep 19, 2008 8:10 pm) The first generation Seville was in production for 4 year and they built 200,000. The bustleback was in production for 6 years and they built less than 200,000, but only just less. The bustleback is more distinctive, and perhaps you just noticed it more. The smallest Seville was the 86 through 91 models and production for the six years totaled less than 150,000.
#5489 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 20, 2008 (12:58 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 19, 2008 10:06 pm) The CTS is the only Cadillac that is doing well this year. The STS and SRX have fallen off from last year, but are doing better than the DTS or Escalades.
#5490 of 6098 Thanking steve again. by carfanforever Sep 20, 2008 (1:24 pm)
Thank you for the tip, but you were right, that is not very usefull. Sigh. Replies to this message: steve_ (Sep 20, 2008 2:37 pm)
#5491 of 6098 Bustleback vs small Seville. by carfanforever Sep 20, 2008 (1:36 pm)
It was not the distinctive styling of the bustleback. The small Seville angered me because I did not like it. So if it was common, I would remember being disgusted by it often. That car really was a very rare sight. Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 21, 2008 1:33 pm) andre1969 (Sep 21, 2008 3:53 pm)
#5492 of 6098 Re: Thanking steve again. [carfanforever] by steve_ HOST Sep 20, 2008 (2:37 pm)
Replying to: carfanforever (Sep 20, 2008 1:24 pm) Just curious, but what is it about pics in the discussion that bugs you?   It could be worse - we could have flaming animated emotorcons.
#5493 of 6098 carfanforever by m4d_cow Sep 20, 2008 (10:47 pm)
you can always just push the stop button on your browser before the pictures load up.
#5494 of 6098 Re: Bustleback vs small Seville. [carfanforever] by sls002 Sep 21, 2008 (1:33 pm)
Replying to: carfanforever (Sep 20, 2008 1:36 pm) The small Seville was the 86-91 model. I liked the body style, but the dash seemed like something you would expect to find in a low priced car. The dash in the Riveria and Toronado were also not great. I think that the 86 Seville's body style was far better than the 85 Deville's, but it did look a lot like the Pontiac Grand Am. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Sep 21, 2008 3:53 pm)
#5495 of 6098 Re: Bustleback vs small Seville. [sls002] by andre1969 Sep 21, 2008 (3:53 pm)
Replying to: sls002 (Sep 21, 2008 1:33 pm) I think that the 86 Seville's body style was far better than the 85 Deville's, but it did look a lot like the Pontiac Grand Am.   Yeah, I think in this case, if there had never been an N-body, the 1986 Seville, and the Eldo/Toro/Riv, would have been better-received. The cars are decent enough looking in their own right, but then when you look at the Grand Am, Skylark/Somerset Regal, and Calais, there's just too much similarity.   Another problem is that design work on these cars began in 1982-83, most likely, when the forecast was for gasoline to be costly and scarce. By the time they were ready for launch, the fuel was flowing freely again, and big cars were in again. In fact, once word was out about the new, smaller models that were soon to come, people were scrambling to buy the last of the bigger models. As a result, 1985 was a good year for the Eldo/Toro/Riv, and the Seville.   By this time, the market for upscale personal luxury coupes was thinning out, anyway. I'm sure it also didn't help that the Mark VII looked downright muscular compared to the downsized Eldo/Toro/Riv.
#5496 of 6098 GM's most significant Cars EVER! by circlew Sep 21, 2008 (4:16 pm)
Chosen by GM. Here is an excerpt that says it all.   Pontiac GTO (1964): Interesting to see that GM historians (and execs, by association) don't think much happened from 1964's GTO until the 1996 EV1...   Apart from the "maverick" input of certifiable goofball John Z. DeLorean, the GTO wasn't really all that significant a car in its own right (in our humble opinion). But the GTO started the '60s muscle-car thing. And should have proved to GM - though it didn't - that the company desperately needed some free-thinker types.   Still does. Drugs and booze optional.   Here is the list. I agree. Boring examples from closed-minded cost cutters is all you ever get.   GM Best EVER   Regards, OW Replies to this message: andre1969 (Sep 21, 2008 4:34 pm) jimbres (Sep 21, 2008 5:40 pm)

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