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Re: Lemko loves the DTS [nwng]
by laurasdada
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Sep 16, 2008 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: nwng (Sep 16, 2008 9:07 am)
RE: Drving in Boston. Don't forget to NOT use your turn signals ("blinkers")!
NYC: Stop light drag races, indeed...
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Re: Lemko loves the DTS [laurasdada]
by circlew
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Sep 16, 2008 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Sep 16, 2008 10:15 am)
In NYC, they use the 5-foot roll out, like at the drag strip when you're a cheatin!
Regards,
OW
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Cadillac as standard of the world.
by carfanforever
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Sep 17, 2008 (6:39 pm)
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I think so if they stop trying to out-BMW BMW. Cadillac made a name for itself by building world-class full-size luxury cars and needs to refocus on that. We need a new DTS, to return the Seville to it's 1998-2004 proportions, and a revived full-size Eldorado. Sure keep the CTS and maybe one more smaller car around, plus the crossover to keep younger buyers interested, but do not forget what bought you to the dance. Cadillac did that before in the 1980s with the Cimmaron and downsizing, and paid dearly for it, so let's not do it again. I have owned BMWs, and they were great sports sedans. I have owned Cadillacs, and they were great full-size luxury cruisers. A BMW should be a sports sedan, and a Cadillac should be full-size luxury cruiser.
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Re: Cadillac as standard of the world. [carfanforever]
by bumpy
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Sep 18, 2008 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: carfanforever (Sep 17, 2008 6:39 pm)
Sounds nice, but Cadillac's problem is that it doesn't have the cachet to command high prices for full-size luxury cruisers like Lexus or MB and its cost structure is too onerous to meet the price vs. size/content of the Hyundai Genesis, so for good or bad they decided to pursue 'Americanized' BMWs as their niche.
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Re: Cadillac as standard of the world. [carfanforever]
by aldw
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Sep 18, 2008 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: carfanforever (Sep 17, 2008 6:39 pm)
If BMW is sport/lux and MB is Lux/performance, Cadillac would be best to mix the best of both with its own history, this would make for better Cadillacs yet. 
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Re: Cadillac as standard of the world. [aldw]
by sls002
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Sep 18, 2008 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Sep 18, 2008 8:04 am)
I think trying to characterize BMW and Mercedes by switching two words around is a gross understatement of the differences. The Mercedes AMG models outpreform BMW's in general at this point in time (but not always). When it comes to luxury, Mercedes is certainly better than BMW. When it comes to sport sedans, both the 3-series and 5-series are probably better than a C-class or E-class. But when you start comparing the M3 or M5, then the Mercedes AMG 63s are hard to beat.
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Re: Cadillac as standard of the world. [sls002]
by nvbanker
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Sep 18, 2008 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 18, 2008 9:01 am)
I'm currently driving a CLS55 AMG. You are right, it's very BMWish, maybe a little faster. Certainly as mysterious, uncomfortable and cramped, and unreliable - very German in other words. But it's scary fast.
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Re: Cadillac as standard of the world. [nvbanker]
by fintail
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Sep 18, 2008 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Sep 18, 2008 9:43 am)
What has been unreliable about it? Those things do have suspect visibility and AMG seats can be over-bolstered for the growing American physique.
The kompressor AMG cars are depreciating as a whole by maybe 1K/month now...I suspect by the end of next year an 06 CLS55 will be able to be had for under 40K, especially with the upcoming facelift and the the 55 kompressor being discontinued.
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Replying to bumpy.
by carfanforever
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Sep 18, 2008 (3:15 pm)
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The thing is, is the "American BMW" concept working? 
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Re: Replying to bumpy. [carfanforever]
by bumpy
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Sep 18, 2008 (7:54 pm)
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Replying to: carfanforever (Sep 18, 2008 3:15 pm)
As far as the CTS goes, it seems to be working somewhat. GM lacks the focus and consistency to really make it pay off, though. The DTS and Escalade distract from the mission, and the STS and XLR never got the proper attention. They would do better to flush out everything except the CTS and introduce some more body styles on that line (a stretch CTS, the coupe and wagon that are coming, and a retractable hardtop coupe would do it), but it looks like Caddy is getting a rebodied Saturn VUE. 
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