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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: [cooterbfd] by circlew
Sep 15, 2008 (2:42 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm)

The typical American car, except for Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Charger, Firebird reflects big is better. That's what you we got used to, more so with the average Caddy owner. The SUV craze underscore the excess.
 
The thing is, if you like to drive, the only tool Caddy had was the STS and NOW the CTS. Let's see what their small entrant will be. Hope it can BEAT the 3'er!
 
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OW
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Re: [circlew] by sls002
Sep 15, 2008 (6:58 am)
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"Hope it can BEAT the 3'er! "
 
This is a subjective concept. For some people the DTS is now the ultimate car. I don't think Cadillac should try to build a car that is better than some BMW, but should instead build cars that together form a line up of vehicles that customers will want to buy. Trying to take BMW customers away from BMW is a waste. You, for example, are not likely to every buy anything else. You can say that you would, but your posts suggest to me that is as likely as lemko is to buy a BMW.
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Re: [sls002] by lemko
Sep 15, 2008 (8:47 am)
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For some people the DTS is now the ultimate car.
 
IT SURE IS, BROTHER!!!
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Lemko loves the DTS by m4d_cow
Sep 15, 2008 (8:42 pm)
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I can see why
 I once got a DeVille "special edition???" (whatever it means, theyre the same right?), chauffeur included during my business trip to Boston (which was a relief as I knew absolutely nothing about Boston). The ride was smooth, so smooth I could fall asleep inside the car. I had a ride in a Towncar too (I think it was in Miami), smoother riding imo, but when turning the car leaned more than the cadi and the effect was somewhat nauseating. If I have to live through hellish traffic like those in NYC or Boston, I might settle for the matress on wheels too.
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Re: Lemko loves the DTS [m4d_cow] by nwng
Sep 16, 2008 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 15, 2008 8:42 pm)

I drove in boston for the last 20 yrs and all you gotta do is ignore the yield signs, gun it at yellow, know how to drive around those dinky one way streets and you'll be fine. Oh, and don't drive or park your H1,H2,slade... in cambridge, all the prius in the block will join force and use their Ni-Mh power to fry your truck. To cap it off, the VW rabbit that uses biodiesel will make sure the interior smells like the kitchen of mickey d's for the next 6 months.
 
I found driving in NYC about the same, except you do have to yield and pedal to the metal at all times.
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Re: [cooterbfd] by nvbanker
Sep 16, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm)

I think the point you're missing (and it could be Caddy missing the point, I don't know) is that even aiming the CTS at the 3 series, the traditional "American Car" buyer still expects a bigger car.
 
PRECISELY my point. And I'm one of them. These days, though I'm normally a free market guy, I think it's important to drive American if possible, and so I'm looking at Cadillacs and Lincolns to potentially replace my Lexus sometime in the next 11 months. Tried out an STS the other weekend.....was woefully disappointed, mostly due to the size, or lack thereof. I NEED a large sedan for business, and I LIKE a large car and mileage is secondary for me. The STS misses the mark by a mile. Presently, the DTS is the only possibility for me in the Cadillac stable, and the CTS is really off the mark. Course, that's just me.
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Re: Lemko loves the DTS [nwng] by laurasdada
Sep 16, 2008 (10:15 am)
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RE: Drving in Boston. Don't forget to NOT use your turn signals ("blinkers")!
 
NYC: Stop light drag races, indeed...
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Re: Lemko loves the DTS [laurasdada] by circlew
Sep 16, 2008 (12:38 pm)
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In NYC, they use the 5-foot roll out, like at the drag strip when you're a cheatin!
 
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OW
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Cadillac as standard of the world. by carfanforever
Sep 17, 2008 (6:39 pm)
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I think so if they stop trying to out-BMW BMW. Cadillac made a name for itself by building world-class full-size luxury cars and needs to refocus on that. We need a new DTS, to return the Seville to it's 1998-2004 proportions, and a revived full-size Eldorado. Sure keep the CTS and maybe one more smaller car around, plus the crossover to keep younger buyers interested, but do not forget what bought you to the dance. Cadillac did that before in the 1980s with the Cimmaron and downsizing, and paid dearly for it, so let's not do it again. I have owned BMWs, and they were great sports sedans. I have owned Cadillacs, and they were great full-size luxury cruisers. A BMW should be a sports sedan, and a Cadillac should be full-size luxury cruiser.
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Re: Cadillac as standard of the world. [carfanforever] by bumpy
Sep 18, 2008 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: carfanforever (Sep 17, 2008 6:39 pm)

Sounds nice, but Cadillac's problem is that it doesn't have the cachet to command high prices for full-size luxury cruisers like Lexus or MB and its cost structure is too onerous to meet the price vs. size/content of the Hyundai Genesis, so for good or bad they decided to pursue 'Americanized' BMWs as their niche.

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