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#5447 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 13, 2008 (7:40 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 12, 2008 10:50 pm) R&T considers the CTS and 5-series to be "roomy" sport sedans. I don't know what Cadillac's thinking on the CTS really is. The CTS is really too big to be considered a serious 3-series sport sedan, but it is not in the same class as the luxury sport sedans either. The CTS is really in a class of its own, and is more or less a lower priced STS. I don't see much point in keeping the STS V6. I think that a loaded CTS is too expensive for what one gets, but if the premium packages would upgrade the interior materials noticably, then that would make a difference. The sigma platform will come to an end at the end of the current CTS's design life. The 3rd generation CTS will be on some other platform.
#5448 of 6098 by m4d_cow Sep 13, 2008 (9:58 pm)
I'd love to see that, a smaller, nimbler CTS that makes more sense instead of relying on size alone to win customers. Plus I want to see more reasonable pricing, thats for sure. But I agree though, a moderately equipped CTS is an ok deal. Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 14, 2008 3:46 pm) cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm) circlew (Sep 15, 2008 2:42 am) sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) and 1 more... nvbanker (Sep 16, 2008 9:10 am)
#5449 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 14, 2008 (3:46 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 13, 2008 9:58 pm) If you like the size of the 3-series, which has grown somewhat in the last 15 years, then the CTS is a bit too big. The 1-series is close to the size that the used to be, but the 1 is way to heavy.
#5450 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by cooterbfd Sep 14, 2008 (6:28 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 13, 2008 9:58 pm) I think the point you're missing (and it could be Caddy missing the point, I don't know) is that even aiming the CTS at the 3 series, the traditional "American Car" buyer still expects a bigger car.   Someone wrote here about the Bimmer being "Sport/Luxury" instead of "Luxury/Sport". Maybe the CTS is trying to be the "Luxury/Sport" car that is a little more sporty than usual. Replies to this message: circlew (Sep 15, 2008 2:42 am) sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) lemko (Sep 15, 2008 8:47 am) nvbanker (Sep 16, 2008 9:10 am)
#5451 of 6098 Re: [cooterbfd] by circlew Sep 15, 2008 (2:42 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm) The typical American car, except for Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Charger, Firebird reflects big is better. That's what you we got used to, more so with the average Caddy owner. The SUV craze underscore the excess.   The thing is, if you like to drive, the only tool Caddy had was the STS and NOW the CTS. Let's see what their small entrant will be. Hope it can BEAT the 3'er!   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) lemko (Sep 15, 2008 8:47 am)
#5452 of 6098 Re: [circlew] by sls002 Sep 15, 2008 (6:58 am)
Replying to: circlew (Sep 15, 2008 2:42 am) "Hope it can BEAT the 3'er! "   This is a subjective concept. For some people the DTS is now the ultimate car. I don't think Cadillac should try to build a car that is better than some BMW, but should instead build cars that together form a line up of vehicles that customers will want to buy. Trying to take BMW customers away from BMW is a waste. You, for example, are not likely to every buy anything else. You can say that you would, but your posts suggest to me that is as likely as lemko is to buy a BMW. Replies to this message: lemko (Sep 15, 2008 8:47 am)
#5453 of 6098 Re: [sls002] by lemko Sep 15, 2008 (8:47 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) For some people the DTS is now the ultimate car.   IT SURE IS, BROTHER!!!
#5454 of 6098 Lemko loves the DTS by m4d_cow Sep 15, 2008 (8:42 pm)
I can see why  I once got a DeVille "special edition???" (whatever it means, theyre the same right?), chauffeur included during my business trip to Boston (which was a relief as I knew absolutely nothing about Boston). The ride was smooth, so smooth I could fall asleep inside the car. I had a ride in a Towncar too (I think it was in Miami), smoother riding imo, but when turning the car leaned more than the cadi and the effect was somewhat nauseating. If I have to live through hellish traffic like those in NYC or Boston, I might settle for the matress on wheels too. Replies to this message: nwng (Sep 16, 2008 9:07 am) laurasdada (Sep 16, 2008 10:15 am) circlew (Sep 16, 2008 12:38 pm)
#5455 of 6098 Re: Lemko loves the DTS [m4d_cow] by nwng Sep 16, 2008 (9:07 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 15, 2008 8:42 pm) I drove in boston for the last 20 yrs and all you gotta do is ignore the yield signs, gun it at yellow, know how to drive around those dinky one way streets and you'll be fine. Oh, and don't drive or park your H1,H2,slade... in cambridge, all the prius in the block will join force and use their Ni-Mh power to fry your truck. To cap it off, the VW rabbit that uses biodiesel will make sure the interior smells like the kitchen of mickey d's for the next 6 months.   I found driving in NYC about the same, except you do have to yield and pedal to the metal at all times. Replies to this message: laurasdada (Sep 16, 2008 10:15 am) circlew (Sep 16, 2008 12:38 pm)
#5456 of 6098 Re: [cooterbfd] by nvbanker Sep 16, 2008 (9:10 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm) I think the point you're missing (and it could be Caddy missing the point, I don't know) is that even aiming the CTS at the 3 series, the traditional "American Car" buyer still expects a bigger car.   PRECISELY my point. And I'm one of them. These days, though I'm normally a free market guy, I think it's important to drive American if possible, and so I'm looking at Cadillacs and Lincolns to potentially replace my Lexus sometime in the next 11 months. Tried out an STS the other weekend.....was woefully disappointed, mostly due to the size, or lack thereof. I NEED a large sedan for business, and I LIKE a large car and mileage is secondary for me. The STS misses the mark by a mile. Presently, the DTS is the only possibility for me in the Cadillac stable, and the CTS is really off the mark. Course, that's just me.

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