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#5445 of 6098 by m4d_cow Sep 12, 2008 (10:50 pm)
"Cadillac charge extra only on tint and tricoat paints"   Uh, sure, but the Japanese dont need double or tricoat paints to look good. Park the 3, G, and CTS in black next to each other, and you'll notice that the CTS' color fade where others shine. Why black? it's the most neutral base color. I saw this months ago at the local Cadi dealer where an 08 CTS was parked next to a used 07 G35, both black. How do you explain that? I was baffled myself.   "R/T comparison rated CTS only slightly behind the G and 5series, which cost 12k more" Uh, one question, why the 5? GM wants CTS to compete with the 3. If the 5 is the rival, then the STS and M must step up for the challenge. Is it because of size? If so you're basically saying that the STS should be compared to the likes of S-class and 750. Oh and along with Chrysler 300c too. GM doesnt make CTS larger to fight the 5er, GM makes it larger because they want the size to be an asset in the competition!!! Also please remember that compared to the current value leaders in the 50k class, the Infiniti M and Audi A6, the CTS holds even weaker cards.   Question: pricewise, do you really think the CTS is a value player in its class??? At $40-41k for a CTS versus $36-37k for a comparably equipped G35, I dont think so.   I've said this before, the only major problem I have with the CTS is price. GM is getting way overconfident in this matter. Overpricing is not the proper way to crawl back to the top. Were it priced close to the G's 36k it'll be a great value, and all its shortcomings can be overlooked. Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 13, 2008 7:40 am)
#5446 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 13, 2008 (7:25 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 12, 2008 9:10 pm) Performance statistics are going to be something measurable. If you want to talk about real highways, then the results are subjective. My comments were directed to circlew in particular. However, there are a number of cars that do outperform the turbocharged 3-series, not just the GT500.   Perhaps it is useful to point out that the turbocharged 6 in the 5-series matches the performance of the 5-series V8. The turbo 6 has 300 lb-ft of torque from 1400 RPMs to 5000 RPMs. This gives any car with this engine a lot of torque, and performance will be quite good and hard to beat with a normal engine of any size.
#5447 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 13, 2008 (7:40 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 12, 2008 10:50 pm) R&T considers the CTS and 5-series to be "roomy" sport sedans. I don't know what Cadillac's thinking on the CTS really is. The CTS is really too big to be considered a serious 3-series sport sedan, but it is not in the same class as the luxury sport sedans either. The CTS is really in a class of its own, and is more or less a lower priced STS. I don't see much point in keeping the STS V6. I think that a loaded CTS is too expensive for what one gets, but if the premium packages would upgrade the interior materials noticably, then that would make a difference. The sigma platform will come to an end at the end of the current CTS's design life. The 3rd generation CTS will be on some other platform.
#5448 of 6098 by m4d_cow Sep 13, 2008 (9:58 pm)
I'd love to see that, a smaller, nimbler CTS that makes more sense instead of relying on size alone to win customers. Plus I want to see more reasonable pricing, thats for sure. But I agree though, a moderately equipped CTS is an ok deal. Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 14, 2008 3:46 pm) cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm) circlew (Sep 15, 2008 2:42 am) sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) and 1 more... nvbanker (Sep 16, 2008 9:10 am)
#5449 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 14, 2008 (3:46 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 13, 2008 9:58 pm) If you like the size of the 3-series, which has grown somewhat in the last 15 years, then the CTS is a bit too big. The 1-series is close to the size that the used to be, but the 1 is way to heavy.
#5450 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by cooterbfd Sep 14, 2008 (6:28 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 13, 2008 9:58 pm) I think the point you're missing (and it could be Caddy missing the point, I don't know) is that even aiming the CTS at the 3 series, the traditional "American Car" buyer still expects a bigger car.   Someone wrote here about the Bimmer being "Sport/Luxury" instead of "Luxury/Sport". Maybe the CTS is trying to be the "Luxury/Sport" car that is a little more sporty than usual. Replies to this message: circlew (Sep 15, 2008 2:42 am) sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) lemko (Sep 15, 2008 8:47 am) nvbanker (Sep 16, 2008 9:10 am)
#5451 of 6098 Re: [cooterbfd] by circlew Sep 15, 2008 (2:42 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm) The typical American car, except for Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Charger, Firebird reflects big is better. That's what you we got used to, more so with the average Caddy owner. The SUV craze underscore the excess.   The thing is, if you like to drive, the only tool Caddy had was the STS and NOW the CTS. Let's see what their small entrant will be. Hope it can BEAT the 3'er!   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) lemko (Sep 15, 2008 8:47 am)
#5452 of 6098 Re: [circlew] by sls002 Sep 15, 2008 (6:58 am)
Replying to: circlew (Sep 15, 2008 2:42 am) "Hope it can BEAT the 3'er! "   This is a subjective concept. For some people the DTS is now the ultimate car. I don't think Cadillac should try to build a car that is better than some BMW, but should instead build cars that together form a line up of vehicles that customers will want to buy. Trying to take BMW customers away from BMW is a waste. You, for example, are not likely to every buy anything else. You can say that you would, but your posts suggest to me that is as likely as lemko is to buy a BMW. Replies to this message: lemko (Sep 15, 2008 8:47 am)
#5453 of 6098 Re: [sls002] by lemko Sep 15, 2008 (8:47 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) For some people the DTS is now the ultimate car.   IT SURE IS, BROTHER!!!
#5454 of 6098 Lemko loves the DTS by m4d_cow Sep 15, 2008 (8:42 pm)
I can see why  I once got a DeVille "special edition???" (whatever it means, theyre the same right?), chauffeur included during my business trip to Boston (which was a relief as I knew absolutely nothing about Boston). The ride was smooth, so smooth I could fall asleep inside the car. I had a ride in a Towncar too (I think it was in Miami), smoother riding imo, but when turning the car leaned more than the cadi and the effect was somewhat nauseating. If I have to live through hellish traffic like those in NYC or Boston, I might settle for the matress on wheels too. Replies to this message: nwng (Sep 16, 2008 9:07 am) laurasdada (Sep 16, 2008 10:15 am) circlew (Sep 16, 2008 12:38 pm)

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