You are here: Forums Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

6098 messages,  Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

You are in the Automotive News & Views Forum. Your Hosts are steve_ & claires

What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News

Messages Page 546 of 611 1 ... 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 ... 611 Prev Next Last

Go To Msg # Search This Discussion

#5442 of 6098 Re: [circlew] by sls002 Sep 12, 2008 (6:35 am)
Replying to: circlew (Sep 12, 2008 3:16 am) If you need a sedan, why did you say that you would have bought the 1-series when it is only available as a coupe? The 3-series is a small car, but is a 4 door. If space is an important consideration then the larger CTS is a useful alternative. If room is less important than having something closer to a sports car, then the 3-series with the sport package is a good choice. But your credibility is now in question as you seem not to know what you are talking about. Replies to this message: circlew (Sep 12, 2008 7:18 am)
#5443 of 6098 Re: [sls002] by circlew Sep 12, 2008 (7:18 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Sep 12, 2008 6:35 am) That is correct, the one series is a coupe.   The 3-series is the sedan in comparo with CTS. I might have sacrificed the 2 doors after driving this in 2008 but since it wasn't available back in 2005 when I got the 330xi, the point is really moot. In 2005, CTS wasn't even on my radar screen. So far, the style today is better as well as the performance so at least it would be an alternative but for the price. Also, the design is not that appealing to me but much improved. The future coupe would make me change my mind!!   Today, I am giving the 1-series a real lot of consideration. There is nothing comparable at Caddy today but I think they are working on a smaller Caddy. Hope they don't copy the Catera and use the 1-series as a bench mark.   Regards, OW
#5444 of 6098 by m4d_cow Sep 12, 2008 (9:10 pm)
The GT500 outperforms the 1?   On straight line track, yeah I agree. But the car is too heavy for sharp handling on curvy roads. There are quite a few of those here, mostly owned by college kids. I drove one, albeit only for about 10 mins or so, but it was enough to feel the car's mass overwhelming the steering.   CTS' steering is good, but next to the G and 3 they fell apart from my personal opinion. This not to say I hate the car, in fact the contrary applies if I'm looking for ride comfort, one thing CTS excels in that neither the G or the 3 can match.   Like I said, preference. Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 13, 2008 7:25 am)
#5445 of 6098 by m4d_cow Sep 12, 2008 (10:50 pm)
"Cadillac charge extra only on tint and tricoat paints"   Uh, sure, but the Japanese dont need double or tricoat paints to look good. Park the 3, G, and CTS in black next to each other, and you'll notice that the CTS' color fade where others shine. Why black? it's the most neutral base color. I saw this months ago at the local Cadi dealer where an 08 CTS was parked next to a used 07 G35, both black. How do you explain that? I was baffled myself.   "R/T comparison rated CTS only slightly behind the G and 5series, which cost 12k more" Uh, one question, why the 5? GM wants CTS to compete with the 3. If the 5 is the rival, then the STS and M must step up for the challenge. Is it because of size? If so you're basically saying that the STS should be compared to the likes of S-class and 750. Oh and along with Chrysler 300c too. GM doesnt make CTS larger to fight the 5er, GM makes it larger because they want the size to be an asset in the competition!!! Also please remember that compared to the current value leaders in the 50k class, the Infiniti M and Audi A6, the CTS holds even weaker cards.   Question: pricewise, do you really think the CTS is a value player in its class??? At $40-41k for a CTS versus $36-37k for a comparably equipped G35, I dont think so.   I've said this before, the only major problem I have with the CTS is price. GM is getting way overconfident in this matter. Overpricing is not the proper way to crawl back to the top. Were it priced close to the G's 36k it'll be a great value, and all its shortcomings can be overlooked. Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 13, 2008 7:40 am)
#5446 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 13, 2008 (7:25 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 12, 2008 9:10 pm) Performance statistics are going to be something measurable. If you want to talk about real highways, then the results are subjective. My comments were directed to circlew in particular. However, there are a number of cars that do outperform the turbocharged 3-series, not just the GT500.   Perhaps it is useful to point out that the turbocharged 6 in the 5-series matches the performance of the 5-series V8. The turbo 6 has 300 lb-ft of torque from 1400 RPMs to 5000 RPMs. This gives any car with this engine a lot of torque, and performance will be quite good and hard to beat with a normal engine of any size.
#5447 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 13, 2008 (7:40 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 12, 2008 10:50 pm) R&T considers the CTS and 5-series to be "roomy" sport sedans. I don't know what Cadillac's thinking on the CTS really is. The CTS is really too big to be considered a serious 3-series sport sedan, but it is not in the same class as the luxury sport sedans either. The CTS is really in a class of its own, and is more or less a lower priced STS. I don't see much point in keeping the STS V6. I think that a loaded CTS is too expensive for what one gets, but if the premium packages would upgrade the interior materials noticably, then that would make a difference. The sigma platform will come to an end at the end of the current CTS's design life. The 3rd generation CTS will be on some other platform.
#5448 of 6098 by m4d_cow Sep 13, 2008 (9:58 pm)
I'd love to see that, a smaller, nimbler CTS that makes more sense instead of relying on size alone to win customers. Plus I want to see more reasonable pricing, thats for sure. But I agree though, a moderately equipped CTS is an ok deal. Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 14, 2008 3:46 pm) cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm) circlew (Sep 15, 2008 2:42 am) sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) and 1 more... nvbanker (Sep 16, 2008 9:10 am)
#5449 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by sls002 Sep 14, 2008 (3:46 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 13, 2008 9:58 pm) If you like the size of the 3-series, which has grown somewhat in the last 15 years, then the CTS is a bit too big. The 1-series is close to the size that the used to be, but the 1 is way to heavy.
#5450 of 6098 Re: [m4d_cow] by cooterbfd Sep 14, 2008 (6:28 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 13, 2008 9:58 pm) I think the point you're missing (and it could be Caddy missing the point, I don't know) is that even aiming the CTS at the 3 series, the traditional "American Car" buyer still expects a bigger car.   Someone wrote here about the Bimmer being "Sport/Luxury" instead of "Luxury/Sport". Maybe the CTS is trying to be the "Luxury/Sport" car that is a little more sporty than usual. Replies to this message: circlew (Sep 15, 2008 2:42 am) sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) lemko (Sep 15, 2008 8:47 am) nvbanker (Sep 16, 2008 9:10 am)
#5451 of 6098 Re: [cooterbfd] by circlew Sep 15, 2008 (2:42 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 14, 2008 6:28 pm) The typical American car, except for Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Charger, Firebird reflects big is better. That's what you we got used to, more so with the average Caddy owner. The SUV craze underscore the excess.   The thing is, if you like to drive, the only tool Caddy had was the STS and NOW the CTS. Let's see what their small entrant will be. Hope it can BEAT the 3'er!   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sls002 (Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am) lemko (Sep 15, 2008 8:47 am)

Messages Page 546 of 611 1 ... 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 ... 611 Prev Next Last

Go To Msg # Search This Discussion

You are here: Forums Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?