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#5369 of 6098 Re: [circlew] by lemko Sep 02, 2008 (4:25 am)
Replying to: circlew (Sep 02, 2008 3:40 am) Uh, that basic anonymous appliance module you're looking at is a Toyota, not a GM car. Toyota wrote the book on boring. I guess following Toyota's example IS a way to send yourself to the basement, however. Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (Sep 02, 2008 5:27 am) lemko (Sep 02, 2008 5:33 am) cooterbfd (Sep 02, 2008 5:50 pm) circlew (Sep 02, 2008 10:56 am) lemko (Sep 02, 2008 3:52 pm)
#5370 of 6098 Re: [lemko] by 62vetteefp Sep 02, 2008 (5:27 am)
Replying to: lemko (Sep 02, 2008 4:25 am) Lemko, are you really serious in comparing the GM products in "boringness" to Toyota/Lexus? G8 boring? CTS boring? Malibu boring? Enclave boring? Corvette boring? HHR boring? Even the full size trucks/SUV's boring? Oh I guess if you look at the older models you get an Aveo or Cobalt or even the aged Impala but in overall ranking GM outdoes the Toyota /Lexus by quite a bit. I do not think GM is following Toyota in boringness.   Right now I would say the products that could be considered boring at GM are pretty close to the end of their lifecycles: Aveo, Cobalt, Impala, Trailblazer, G5, G6(I guess I think this one still has a lot of exterior style to it), LaCrosse. Everything else looks pretty up to date for their segments. And I guess we would have to look at the definition of boring since it would be different for each person and each segment.   The Fit is pretty hot right now and the Aveo / Yaris are darn "boring". The Civic is hot and the Cobalt/Corolla are pretty mundane. Cobalt looks nice but just not a lot of excitement. Malibu is pretty much at the top of the class for midsize volume cars. In large cars there is the Lucerne vs. the soon to be gone Avalon. Replies to this message: lemko (Sep 02, 2008 5:33 am) cooterbfd (Sep 02, 2008 5:50 pm) circlew (Sep 02, 2008 10:56 am) lemko (Sep 02, 2008 3:52 pm)
#5371 of 6098 Re: [62vetteefp] by lemko Sep 02, 2008 (5:33 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 02, 2008 5:27 am) Oh, it wasn't me calling the new GM lineup boring. It's a sarcastic response to the previous poster.   The Avalon is going away? I like the Cobalt coupe, but the sedan is nondescript. Replies to this message: cooterbfd (Sep 02, 2008 5:50 pm)
#5372 of 6098 Re: [62vetteefp] by circlew Sep 02, 2008 (10:56 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 02, 2008 5:27 am) Listen, GM makes the most exciting vehicles on the planet and are the standard for what a car company needs to be in every way. All other manufacturers should standardize on GM and particularly Cadillac.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: lemko (Sep 02, 2008 3:52 pm)
#5373 of 6098 Re: [circlew] by lemko Sep 02, 2008 (3:52 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Sep 02, 2008 10:56 am) GM really does make the most exciting vehicles on the planet and are the standard for what a car company needs to be in every way. All other manufacturers should standardize on GM and particularly Cadillac and Buick! I say this with the absolute sincerity! I wouldn't keep buying them if I wasn't deadly serious and sincere. I'm not one to foolishly throw away money.
#5374 of 6098 Re: Indeed [circlew] by cooterbfd Sep 02, 2008 (5:45 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Sep 01, 2008 3:02 am) First of all, check and see how C&D reviewed it. It sounds like a GM review:   http://www.caranddriver.com/buying_guide/hyundai/genesis/2009_hyundai_genesis/20- 09_hyundai_genesis_4_6_road_test+type-reviews_by_make+mode-collection+id-269.htm- l   Secondly, $33k gets you a V-6, and a fully optioned one like the one tested by them will run you $43K!!!!   A V-8 Lucerne (which, by the way, is outselling the Avalon) bases at $30K. Yes, the platform is dated, and yes, it's FWD and not RWD, but it's just as big, and luxurious.   Hyundai will have to discount them deeply just to get in Buick's price range, as a base Lucerne V-6 can be had for as little as $24K and change.
#5375 of 6098 Re: [lemko] by cooterbfd Sep 02, 2008 (5:50 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Sep 02, 2008 5:33 am) The Avalon is going away?   Yeah, they're gonna replace it with a "CamryXL" (an extended Camry platform) probably keeping the Camry name on it so they can say they sold even MORE Camry's

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