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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Something else [marsha7] by circlew
Sep 01, 2008 (2:58 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Aug 31, 2008 6:31 pm)

Agree...there is time for my Ferrari in the future! Buick??? HAHAHAHAHA!
 
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OW
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Re: Indeed [nvbanker] by circlew
Sep 01, 2008 (3:02 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 31, 2008 7:16 pm)

Hyundai is on it, don't worry! $33K for a Genesis will destroy Buick first and make Caddy bleed as well as the brand establishes itself.
 
Just my opinion. I believe the new Lacrosse will not change sales significantly.
 
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Re: Indeed [nvbanker] by 62vetteefp
Sep 01, 2008 (4:15 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 31, 2008 7:16 pm)

Park Avenue, LeSabre, Regal & Century, give us all new models, that are nothing like the olds ones that were selling so well.
 
Yes the Regal and Century were long in the tooth but they were not selling well. #1 they were hugely rental fleet and 2nd we were giving the retail Centurys away. You could actually get a Century with a base price of $19,995 and with incentives under $17k,
 
The new LaCrosse on the other hand starts at around $26k and you lose a lot of the market when you increase the price almost $8k.
 
Yes someone will want to meet the needs of the older market but you cannot do what Buick was doing. Every year the average buick buyer age went up one year and volumes went down. You just cannot allow that to continue. And as someone else said the new older people (me included) are not so restricted on what they buy. Not many (new older folls) want the Park Avenue type of vehicle.
 
Anyway Buick is not trying not to significantly drop their median age, just want to get back to an age with some volume and keep it from increasing 1 year every year. I do agree they should have kept their old names on the replacement models but I do say they have to keep the average from rising.
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Re: Indeed [62vetteefp] by circlew
Sep 01, 2008 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 01, 2008 4:15 am)

They should have kept the names of many models. That is the problem. The G8 should be the Grand Prix and the Park Avenue should be blowing away Lexus.
 
I keep going back to what works and received significant development under the same name that became an iconic brand. Discontinued was the cost cutting mantra over the past few decades. What was lost along Madison Avenue over the years is quite apparent in Detroit today.
 
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OW
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Re: Indeed [circlew] by fintail
Sep 01, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 01, 2008 5:15 am)

It's been a GM problem for decades, killing old names, yet keeping boring products alive. I guess it will fool some of the people some of the time - for awhile. While the competition loves to keep their old names alive.
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fintail by marsha7
Sep 01, 2008 (11:18 am)
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I especially like some of those newer names of, say, the last 2 or 3 years...Accord, Civic, Camry, Corolla, to name a few... ...names that were not even around in the 80s and 90s...
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Re: Indeed [circlew] by laurasdada
Sep 01, 2008 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 01, 2008 5:15 am)

Yeah, I loved the ad campaign for the, "First G6 ever!" Soon to be a collector's item...
 
Keeping the names Camry, Accord, Civic, Corolla, etc. and simply improving the car seems to work for Hondota. Or is it Toyonda?
 
EDIT: Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. I posted before reading your clairvoyant (as you read my mind before I even read here and posted) post!
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by m4d_cow
Sep 01, 2008 (10:20 pm)
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The constant name changes is killing me.
The term G6-8 BLS, STS, sounds too technical and less emotional, not to mention having no long term reputation at all.
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Re: [m4d_cow] by circlew
Sep 02, 2008 (3:40 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Sep 01, 2008 10:20 pm)

Since there is no devlopment plan, the GM cars nowadays are appliances that really are basic transportation and not the standard for anything IMHO.
 
Nice marketing plan on the way to the basement over the years, don't you think?
 
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OW
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Re: [circlew] by lemko
Sep 02, 2008 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 02, 2008 3:40 am)

Uh, that basic anonymous appliance module you're looking at is a Toyota, not a GM car. Toyota wrote the book on boring. I guess following Toyota's example IS a way to send yourself to the basement, however.

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