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#5333 of 6098 Road and Tracks CT-V vs. M5 review by 62vetteefp Aug 26, 2008 (5:19 pm)
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6963&page_numbe- r=2   Cadillac won by the skin of its teeth and all the participants walked away happy. Cadillac has made a CTS-V that can best the BMW M5 for likely the cost difference of a Chevy Malibu, while BMW knows its 3-year-old M5 is still close competition for the newest CTS-V. I'm sure BMW will be glad to raise the bar again with the next M5, but for now the V is king.
#5334 of 6098 Re: CTS-V "embarrasses" BMW??? [fintail] by 62vetteefp Aug 26, 2008 (5:22 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Aug 26, 2008 1:48 pm) Sorry, here is the Edmunds version   http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=131106 Replies to this message: fintail (Aug 26, 2008 6:00 pm) circlew (Aug 26, 2008 6:46 pm) nvbanker (Aug 27, 2008 9:39 am)
#5335 of 6098 Re: CTS-V "embarrasses" BMW??? [62vetteefp] by fintail Aug 26, 2008 (6:00 pm)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Aug 26, 2008 5:22 pm) Interesting. They now can hope other tests mimic those results.   What I find significant is not simply that the V was able to step in front of the competition - it is that it appears to be both a leap forward from the previous car, and that a Caddy like that exists at all. Step back a mere 10 years and tell an enthusiast that there would be a Caddy that can play head to head with the best from Germany, and they would think you were insane.   Such a car should incite the competition and make further development even more amazing. Replies to this message: circlew (Aug 26, 2008 6:46 pm) nvbanker (Aug 27, 2008 9:39 am)
#5336 of 6098 Re: CTS-V "embarrasses" BMW??? [fintail] by circlew Aug 26, 2008 (6:46 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Aug 26, 2008 6:00 pm) The bottom line is that GM can succeed...what has happened is that teetering on the brink has some nice stories. Let's see if it continues.   Regards, OW
#5337 of 6098 by m4d_cow Aug 26, 2008 (10:32 pm)
GM can succeed, when they pull in the right strategy, which seems exactly what theyre doing right now with new smaller engines.
#5338 of 6098 Re: nvbanker [m4d_cow] by robbieg Aug 27, 2008 (5:56 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Aug 20, 2008 3:41 am) Not sure that I agree. At least for upscale wagons, E class Mercedes, 5 series BMW, and the Audi. In my opinion, they are cooler than a minivan or SUV. Then again, you have to be pretty well off to buy one of these. They are much more expensive than all minivans and most SUVs. Cadillac needs a wagon because their competitors, Mercedes, BMW and Audi have wagons.   Also, I think a fair amount of people buy Passat wagons. If you get one loaded they sort of get near the base CTS in price.   And yes, Cadillac does need a model priced below the CTS.
#5339 of 6098 I don't think so... by lemko Aug 27, 2008 (6:07 am)
...a model priced below the CTS should be Buick's domain. I wouldn't mind a baby Buick based on the BLS. Maybe they can call it the Special for old time's sake?   I would most definitely be interested in a DTS-V or something like it. Of course such a vehicle would break my budget. I can always dream. Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 27, 2008 11:45 am)
#5340 of 6098 Re: CTS-V "embarrasses" BMW??? [fintail] by nvbanker Aug 27, 2008 (9:39 am)
Replying to: fintail (Aug 26, 2008 6:00 pm) I too am amazed that any Cadillac can take this honor from the sacred Bimmer - good for GM! That is a real accomplishment. I guess maybe GM CAN make Cadillac a standard again....it takes a lot of effort though, and resources. But the CTS is the main thing Caddy has, and in these times, it's not a bad thing to have going for ya.
#5341 of 6098 Baseball analogy by lemko Aug 27, 2008 (11:41 am)
Cimmaron = Strike One! Catera = Strike Two! CTS = HOME RUN!!! Replies to this message: circlew (Aug 27, 2008 6:27 pm) claires (Aug 27, 2008 8:05 pm)
#5342 of 6098 Re: I don't think so... [lemko] by sls002 Aug 27, 2008 (11:45 am)
Replying to: lemko (Aug 27, 2008 6:07 am) What do you see a DTS_V being? I can see a RWD DTS making some sense as a V model perhaps, but that really depends on what the RWD DTS is designed for. The V series Cadillac sedans are about being high performance sports sedans. The DTS is not a sports sedan, and trying to make a V series out of it would be a total waste. But a RWD DTS that is similar to the Pontiac G8 might prove to be a decent platform for a V series edition. The CTS_V is a decent Cadillac in the V series and does compare with the competition. The STS_V was OK, but not competitive and probably should have been marketed as a performance STS. The STS's northstar engine was simply not designed for enough power. I think they planned for the next generation V8 (now cancelled) to provide V-series performance. The Corvette engine the CTS_V is OK for the CTS, but not quite what should be expected from a higher end car.

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