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#5317 of 6098 by m4d_cow Aug 20, 2008 (9:52 pm)
"If you want it all, get the Mercedes."   That, or Audi. IMO you forgot these measurements: image= MB, "value"= Audi, winter capabilities (awd) = both, but the quattro is superior. BMW sadly trails down in both AWD and value.   When it comes down to American cars, I also like the 300c, though I never got the chance to drive the car yet. Great looks, a bit too blinged out, but it can be fixed by a classier, less chromed grille, and new shoes (20" non-chrome, again). There are only 2 things that currently turn me off, 1. Poor fit-finish, and 2. crappy interior materials. Too bad they never even thought of fixing those 2 problem areas, otherwise 300c will definitely be on my shopping list.
#5318 of 6098 If I want all that I need and more than I'll ever use... by lemko Aug 21, 2008 (5:33 am)
...I buy the Cadillac DTS. Near luxury? That's Buick. I think the Cadillac DTS is as luxurious as a car possibly ever needs to be, even more.
#5319 of 6098 new DTS/STS by 62vetteefp Aug 21, 2008 (1:34 pm)
Cadillac has quietly stalled its plans to build a 12-cylinder flagship    sedan and continues to wrestle with details and timing on a proposed    rear-wheel-drive replacement for the STS and DTS sedans.      Inside Line has learned that the XLS sedan and its V12 engine, neither    of which was ever officially approved for production, have been put on    the shelf while Cadillac planners focus on developing a single high-end    model to replace both the front-wheel-drive DTS and rear-wheel-drive    STS.      The new sedan is known internally as DT7, using a new alphanumeric    naming system that Cadillac is considering for its future production    vehicles (the proposed baby Cadillac is known as AT1).      According to General Motors suppliers, the DT7 would be based on a    premium version of the rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform that underpins the    Pontiac G8 and Chevrolet Camaro, and had been scheduled to begin    production in mid-2011 at GM's Lansing Grand River plant. Now its launch    may slip until late 2011 or early 2012, they say.      Production of the current Cadillac DTS is slated to end in mid-2010,    while the STS is to be phased out in late 2010, leaving a potential gap    of a year or more before the new DT7 reaches the market.
#5320 of 6098 No surprises there by m4d_cow Aug 23, 2008 (10:16 pm)
As gas prices reach all time high, its only natural for cadi to shelf the v12, heck I even doubt they'll have all-new v8 anytime soon. Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 24, 2008 7:59 am) claires (Aug 25, 2008 7:34 pm)
#5321 of 6098 Re: No surprises there [m4d_cow] by sls002 Aug 24, 2008 (7:59 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Aug 23, 2008 10:16 pm) It seems to me that new cars should be designed as some sort of hybrid with epa ratings of 40-50 MPG. My understanding is that GM cancelled the next generation V8 for Cadillac. While I think that oil production can be maintained at the current level for a short time, and possibly could even be increased, longer term (after 2015) oil supplies are going to shrink. The sooner cars move away from oil as their energy source the better.
#5322 of 6098 I think it will by marsha7 Aug 24, 2008 (6:15 pm)
be quite some time before cars run on something other than petroleum, especially with the diesel/gasoline infrastructure set up nationwide like it is...   We should obviously move forward with alternative fuel research, but I believe the first place it will show up will be outside the auto industry...   It would be easier, if easier is the word, to alter how we power our homes and buildings first...we need to update the power grid, but how that power is derived can change, because it is the same power over the same lines, whereas the auto needs a complete network of alternative sources...the power company can convert to nuclear, or wind, or solar, or hydro, and the users would never know, as long as power ran thru the wires to their home or office...   If we ccan reduce the petroleum aspect of power generation by 50%, we could free up that much more oil for the cars while alternative sources are researched for the cars...with 200 million cars out there, eliminating oil/gas as a fuel source will take time, whereas an entire city or region could stop using oil/gas for power generation with, say, a nuke plant ot wind power...   Just thinking out loud...
#5323 of 6098 Good point Marsha by m4d_cow Aug 24, 2008 (10:43 pm)
Too bad the government currently cant afford the budget. Wasted all of them on wars.   Problem is, people ramble about the use of clean diesels in the US, how its much more efficient to buy one, due to its staggering mileage. Then we recount the costs, and found them not so economical, considering the much higher initial cost (read: MSRP) over its gas powered sibling, and also diesel fuel's costs. Then we talk about how it can at least relieve us and the US from its oil dependency. But the real question remains: just how many of us actually CARE about oil dependency as long as gas is still affordable????   Also consider thse conditions in US, compared to Europe: Unlike Europe, theres no real emissions tax in the US, the best they came up with is the gas guzzler tax, which is so insignificant. Diesel cars in Europe cost the same, or lower than its gasoline powered counterparts once you count in the taxes (lead and co2 emissions tax, gas guzzler, etc) Europeans have low sulfur diesel fuel, which improves fuel economy and durability, also environment friendly. US has no such thing available.   I dont see how Americans will convert to diesel fuel unless the costs on fuel get lower, or mileage or diesel engines get much much higher than it is now. Another way is to offer federal incentives on taxes to cover the losses on overall ownership costs, but given the current state of the economy, I seriously doubt it'll happen.   Until then, I guess we gotta rely on hybrids. Replies to this message: nortsr1 (Aug 25, 2008 6:21 am) nvbanker (Aug 25, 2008 9:03 am)
#5324 of 6098 Re: Good point Marsha [m4d_cow] (HYBRIDS???) by nortsr1 Aug 25, 2008 (6:21 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Aug 24, 2008 10:43 pm) To rely on HYBRIDS might become a LOT MORE EXPENSIVE. I just read an article by John McElroy about LITHIUM and how difficult it is to mine and convert. It is getting to the point where LITHIUM for Batteries is getting more and more difficult to get and the price has been going UP and UP. (plus, it is VERY DIFFICULT to recycle and MORE costly than mining it. Replies to this message: nvbanker (Aug 25, 2008 9:03 am)
#5325 of 6098 Re: Good point Marsha [m4d_cow] (HYBRIDS???) [nortsr1] by nvbanker Aug 25, 2008 (9:03 am)
Replying to: nortsr1 (Aug 25, 2008 6:21 am) There are also studies out there that are saying that impact all of these heavy batteries will have on the environment is more detrimental than the oil impact - both with mining, production and disposition when they all start going bad. I respect Hybrid technology, but still maintain it is stopgap at best, and not a long term solution to the transportation issue.
#5326 of 6098 Re: No surprises there [m4d_cow] by claires HOST Aug 25, 2008 (7:34 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Aug 23, 2008 10:16 pm) Cadillac will offer 4-cylinder sedan in '10

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