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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: The way I see it; [nvbanker] by circlew
Aug 20, 2008 (2:57 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 19, 2008 2:08 pm)

Agreed, S500AMG.
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nvbanker by m4d_cow
Aug 20, 2008 (3:41 am)
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I dont know that much about Magnum's sales details, but if its true I wont be that surprised.
Like I said, the general term for wagon in the US is wagon = uncool.
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Re: The way I see it; [circlew] by sls002
Aug 20, 2008 (6:53 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Aug 20, 2008 2:57 am)

The S-class is really not a sports sedan though. If the CTS is a bit too big, then the S500 is even more out of it. On the other hand the S65AMG might be OK. The SL65AMG is better though, but more sports car than sedan.
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Re: nvbanker [m4d_cow] by sls002
Aug 20, 2008 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Aug 20, 2008 3:41 am)

I think that the wagon buyer wants something more off road like an SUV, or they want something better for hauling stuff like a minivan. I personally wanted a decent handling wagon, something like the BMW 5-series wagon. But the nearest dealer is over 300 miles from here, so getting service would be expensive.
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Re: The way I see it; [sls002] by plekto
Aug 20, 2008 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Aug 19, 2008 2:05 pm)

There has only ever been one Mercedes, even 50 years ago. The others are cheap consumer and taxi models that were created as a way to placate those who couldn't afford the real thing and to gain market share among yuppies and wanna-be wealthy.
 
P.S. The leather seats in a S class are to die for. Really. Like an expensive leather jacket and not this junk the auto industry usually passes off as leather. Though Mercedes at least has the honesty to label their fake leather as synthetic leather.(MB Tex)
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Re: The way I see it; [plekto] by sls002
Aug 20, 2008 (2:49 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 20, 2008 1:43 pm)

I think the E-class is quite good. The C-class is low end. The S-class may correspond to something from the 60's, but models were named differently then.
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Re: The way I see it; [plekto] by fintail
Aug 20, 2008 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 20, 2008 1:43 pm)

MB also puts some kind of chemical in the leather, especially in the highline cars. Sit in a new S or CL and take a few deep breaths...it's intoxicating.
 
The nappa leather in my E55, which is probably a midrange grade, is very nice, not too hard and cheap, but not so soft that it will crease and crack. It's quality, and a big step up from standard E-class leather.
 
Many people still think MB-Tex is leather. It's the best industrial grade seating material.
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by m4d_cow
Aug 20, 2008 (9:52 pm)
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"If you want it all, get the Mercedes."
 
That, or Audi. IMO you forgot these measurements: image= MB, "value"= Audi, winter capabilities (awd) = both, but the quattro is superior. BMW sadly trails down in both AWD and value.
 
When it comes down to American cars, I also like the 300c, though I never got the chance to drive the car yet. Great looks, a bit too blinged out, but it can be fixed by a classier, less chromed grille, and new shoes (20" non-chrome, again). There are only 2 things that currently turn me off, 1. Poor fit-finish, and 2. crappy interior materials. Too bad they never even thought of fixing those 2 problem areas, otherwise 300c will definitely be on my shopping list.
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If I want all that I need and more than I'll ever use... by lemko
Aug 21, 2008 (5:33 am)
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...I buy the Cadillac DTS. Near luxury? That's Buick. I think the Cadillac DTS is as luxurious as a car possibly ever needs to be, even more.
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new DTS/STS by 62vetteefp
Aug 21, 2008 (1:34 pm)
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Cadillac has quietly stalled its plans to build a 12-cylinder flagship
   sedan and continues to wrestle with details and timing on a proposed
   rear-wheel-drive replacement for the STS and DTS sedans.
 
   Inside Line has learned that the XLS sedan and its V12 engine, neither
   of which was ever officially approved for production, have been put on
   the shelf while Cadillac planners focus on developing a single high-end
   model to replace both the front-wheel-drive DTS and rear-wheel-drive
   STS.
 
   The new sedan is known internally as DT7, using a new alphanumeric
   naming system that Cadillac is considering for its future production
   vehicles (the proposed baby Cadillac is known as AT1).
 
   According to General Motors suppliers, the DT7 would be based on a
   premium version of the rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform that underpins the
   Pontiac G8 and Chevrolet Camaro, and had been scheduled to begin
   production in mid-2011 at GM's Lansing Grand River plant. Now its launch
   may slip until late 2011 or early 2012, they say.
 
   Production of the current Cadillac DTS is slated to end in mid-2010,
   while the STS is to be phased out in late 2010, leaving a potential gap
   of a year or more before the new DT7 reaches the market.

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