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#5303 of 6098 Re: [62vetteefp] by circlew Aug 19, 2008 (5:50 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Aug 19, 2008 4:19 am) I wish they would tear down the 3-series and copy the steering and suspension to their entire line-up!   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 19, 2008 6:14 am) circlew (Aug 19, 2008 8:29 am) sls002 (Aug 19, 2008 9:57 am)
#5304 of 6098 Re: [circlew] by sls002 Aug 19, 2008 (6:14 am)
Replying to: circlew (Aug 19, 2008 5:50 am) I think that the CTS's suspension is better than the 3-series. The difference in handling is that the 3-series is smaller and more nimble. The 3-series also gets lower profile tires. The CTS is a somewhat different car than a BMW, so what you need to do is decide what you really want. The power steering is a different matter. GM's power steering has always been poor on feedback. Replies to this message: circlew (Aug 19, 2008 8:29 am) sls002 (Aug 19, 2008 9:57 am)
#5305 of 6098 Re: [sls002] by circlew Aug 19, 2008 (8:29 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Aug 19, 2008 6:14 am) The numb feel is a big downer for performance desire. While the suspension is one thing the combination steering/suspension is the golden zone that CTS can not match even compared to the 5-er.   I am not beating up the CTS...after all, GM has to start somewhere and the CTS is a great start. Now make it become an extension of your mind and there you have it!   Sans edginess, I would be in one. The G is more inviting to me as 3-series alternate, however.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 19, 2008 9:57 am)
#5306 of 6098 Re: [circlew] by sls002 Aug 19, 2008 (9:57 am)
Replying to: circlew (Aug 19, 2008 8:29 am) The 5-series suspension goes beyond the 3-series in refinement. The cost of the 5-series is also way beyond what the 3-series or CTS costs too. Since I have not driven a BMW, Mercedes or whatever, I am not sure what sort of feel one can get with other power steering designs. However, I know that the car magazines comment on this.   BMW's primary design goal is to make their vehicles the best for ride and handling. GM is trying to build vehicles for everyone. When you try to build vehicles that most everyone will want, some compromises creep in. Cadillac is either going to have to focus on being the best sports sedan ever, or they have to be the best luxury cars. Mercedes does not have the best sports sedans, but Mercedes does have some odd vehicles that are very good. I think Mercedes has out done BMW's M cars.
#5307 of 6098 The way I see it; by nvbanker Aug 19, 2008 (1:36 pm)
If you want a Driver's car, get the BMW. If you want a Luxury car, get the Lexus. If you want a cheap luxury car, get a Hyundai Genesis. If you want an American near Sport Car, get the CTS. If you want an American near Luxury car, get the DTS. CTS = Acura RL If you want it all, get the Mercedes.   That's just how I see it, YMMV. Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 19, 2008 2:05 pm) nvbanker (Aug 19, 2008 2:08 pm) circlew (Aug 20, 2008 2:57 am) and 1 more... plekto (Aug 20, 2008 1:43 pm) sls002 (Aug 20, 2008 2:49 pm) fintail (Aug 20, 2008 5:14 pm)
#5308 of 6098 Re: The way I see it; [nvbanker] by sls002 Aug 19, 2008 (2:05 pm)
Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 19, 2008 1:36 pm) Ah, but which Mercedes? Mercedes has a lot of different models, all are different. Top Gear (BBC America) had an interesting race between a sports car model and a boat (London to Oslo). Two boats broke down on the way, so the car won. Replies to this message: nvbanker (Aug 19, 2008 2:08 pm) circlew (Aug 20, 2008 2:57 am) sls002 (Aug 20, 2008 6:53 am) plekto (Aug 20, 2008 1:43 pm) sls002 (Aug 20, 2008 2:49 pm) fintail (Aug 20, 2008 5:14 pm)
#5309 of 6098 Re: The way I see it; [sls002] by nvbanker Aug 19, 2008 (2:08 pm)
Replying to: sls002 (Aug 19, 2008 2:05 pm) The S Class, of course. The rest are starters. Replies to this message: circlew (Aug 20, 2008 2:57 am) sls002 (Aug 20, 2008 6:53 am)
#5310 of 6098 Re: The way I see it; [nvbanker] by circlew Aug 20, 2008 (2:57 am)
Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 19, 2008 2:08 pm) Agreed, S500AMG. Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 20, 2008 6:53 am)
#5311 of 6098 nvbanker by m4d_cow Aug 20, 2008 (3:41 am)
I dont know that much about Magnum's sales details, but if its true I wont be that surprised. Like I said, the general term for wagon in the US is wagon = uncool. Replies to this message: sls002 (Aug 20, 2008 6:56 am) robbieg (Aug 27, 2008 5:56 am)
#5312 of 6098 Re: The way I see it; [circlew] by sls002 Aug 20, 2008 (6:53 am)
Replying to: circlew (Aug 20, 2008 2:57 am) The S-class is really not a sports sedan though. If the CTS is a bit too big, then the S500 is even more out of it. On the other hand the S65AMG might be OK. The SL65AMG is better though, but more sports car than sedan.

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