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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: While I've Participated Here... [aldw] by circlew
Jul 27, 2008 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Jul 27, 2008 10:55 am)

Caddy WAS great at one time. The operative word was. Now not even close.
 
That's the current reality. The past is gone but not forgot! Not by a long shot. That's the key reason Caddy lost it's way. It forgot!!!!!!!
 
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OW
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Re: While I've Participated Here... [laurasdada] by lemko
Jul 27, 2008 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jul 26, 2008 10:23 pm)

What the heck are you talking about "badge-engineering of today." Cadillacs are significantly different from other GM marques, you could not simply call it badge-engineering. They have their own unique drivetrains for one. If you want to talk about platform-sharing, well that goes on over at Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura as well. They share a lot of parts with their lesser Toyota, Nissan, and Honda counterparts. Sheesh, you make it sound like Cadillac just takes a Chevrolet Impala and slaps a wreath and crest on it and calls it a DeVille. Hello? They didn't even do that back in the 1980s which was OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO!!!
 
Cadillac is the standard to me! I can at least count on it to get me to work in the morning, I can count on everything working properly, and it won't cause me to file for bankruptcy any time it needs to be serviced or repaired like those cherished German marques.
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Re: While I've Participated Here... [circlew] by lemko
Jul 27, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 27, 2008 11:00 am)

I haven't forgot! I still remember those wonderful Cadillacs of my youth from the 1960s through the 1980s. Funny, I just realized I owned a Cadillac from almost each decade up to the present. My high school/college girlfriend had a 1969 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, I've had a 1975 Cadillac Sedan DeVille, 1989 Cadillac Brougham, 1994 Cadillac DeVille, a 2002 Cadillac Seville STS, and currently a 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance.
 
I've actually owned Cadillacs and I have very low tolerance for defects. A burned-out bulb drives me bananas, so why would I want to tolerate even more serious problems year after year? At least I can speak from experience. Everything else is just rumor and speculation.
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lemko by marsha7
Jul 27, 2008 (12:14 pm)
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I gotta tell ya...we run into each other on other "highly charged" topics, so you know where my opinions lie...but, listening to you has made me add a DTS to the cars I am looking at the replace the Crown Vic...if I buy one, it is because of YOU...
 
So, if I get a lemon, I am sending the repair bill to you...
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Re: While I've Participated Here... [lemko] by laurasdada
Jul 27, 2008 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 27, 2008 11:31 am)

Read a little closer, my friend. What was actually posted was, "...badge engineering to today.'' A rough timeline, TO today. Not of today.
 
Not badge-engineering today, just platform sharing. And most mfgs do it so no harm there. Just start with good platforms.
 
"Cadillac is the standard to me! " And that was my original point. You are correct for you, no argument. The only car that is a standard to me is the one I buy. Right now, Acura TL is The Standard.
 
You've had wonderful GM cars, fabulous. I've owned/driven GM/Ford/Chrysler/Nissan/Acura/Saab/Lexus/Mitsubishi. My experience? The Japanese cars have been better built and more reliable. Not to say the domestics have been unreliable, just not as reliable as the Japanese. Loved my Chrysler 300M. But, the TL is screwed together significantly better and has been more trouble free. Just a fact.
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Re: lemko [marsha7] by sls002
Jul 27, 2008 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 27, 2008 12:14 pm)

You might want to look at the long term JD Power for 2005 results
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sls by marsha7
Jul 27, 2008 (7:04 pm)
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If I understood what I think you were pointing out, it is that Buick and Caddy were Numbers 4 and 5 on the list...is that what you meant, or did I miss your point???...
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Re: While I've Participated Here... [lemko] by circlew
Jul 28, 2008 (2:48 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 27, 2008 11:43 am)

Cadillac is a standard for you if you have had no issues. Sounds pretty good to me. Enjoy!
 
But for me, not so standard.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: lemko [sls002] by sls002
Jul 28, 2008 (5:38 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 27, 2008 3:49 pm)

Also that the Crown Vic was second to Buick LeSabre in full size for long term quality. Ford's overall standing is above the industry average and matches Chevy. Buick and Cadillac are near the top, and have been for some time. The important thing overall is that the worst vehicles have about twice the number of problems as the best (compare Toyota with Land Rover for example).
 
This is a more recent long term study done in 2007 (most recent) for 2004 model year cars (my previous post was released in 2005 for 2002 models). Note that the industry average has improved from 237 to 216. Ford now has more than the average (221) but is better than before (231). Buick now matchs Lexus.
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Re: lemko [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Jul 29, 2008 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 28, 2008 5:38 am)

This is a more recent long term study done in 2007 (most recent) for 2004 model year cars (my previous post was released in 2005 for 2002 models). Note that the industry average has improved from 237 to 216. Ford now has more than the average (221) but is better than before (231). Buick now matchs Lexus.
 
Who are you going to believe? Data based on a huge pool of data or some guy on the internet that has owned less than 20 cars? I go with the guy on the internet every time I mean he did confirm his results by talking to other people.
 
In reality if you look at the data there sure is not much difference between them anymore.
 
So lets find some other way of bashing american cars. Hey lets use gas mileage!

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