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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: sls [marsha7] by sls002
Jul 25, 2008 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 25, 2008 8:57 am)

again if everything was junk, why is GM still in business
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Re: sls [sls002] by circlew
Jul 25, 2008 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 25, 2008 12:29 pm)

Trucks are decent and Corvette. Now Malibu and CTS is better. THe rest, second grade and sales show it.
 
Let's put it this way, nothing exciting.
 
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OW
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Re: sls [sls002] by bumpy
Jul 25, 2008 (3:10 pm)
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Fleet and employee sales. GM would have ruptured years ago without its "in the bag" volume.
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Re: sls [circlew] by lemko
Jul 25, 2008 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 25, 2008 12:44 pm)

Obviously you don't know any more than you read in the car mags. Yes, the Malibu, CTS, Corvette and trucks are excellent, but I know the rest.
 
I know from long term experience that GM truly makes fine automobiles. You let others make a prejudiced opinion for you. I just had my new Cadillac DTS Performance on a long driving vacation and the car performed admirably. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. I was also surprised at the great fuel economy! I guess it's getting better as the cars getting broke-in. Heck, my girlfriend speaks of her Buick LaCrosse as if it were some high-end luxury car like an E-Class Mercedes or a Lexus LS. Here's one young girl who will make a Buick her next car.
 
The imports also aren't all that. I hear a lot of people complain that their newer Hondas and Toyotas aren't as good as previous ones both in appearance and quality. I have a co-worker who likes Hondas so much that he should write copy for their ads, yet he is turned-off at their new direction and actually told me he was considering a Buick as his next car! I certainly don't care for Lexus' new styling direction. I liked it a lot better when they aped the last generation S-Class Mercedes. The LS new look is blandness personified.
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Re: sls [lemko] by circlew
Jul 25, 2008 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 25, 2008 3:40 pm)

I believe you know more than me. Most people do.
 
I appreciate your preferences and respect your choices.
 
I can not get excited about the current choice GM produces. The ones I referenced not included but the CTS has competition that will limit it's success unless expectations are exceeded each year. Corvette has no competition either in the price range except GT-R. I still am put back by the sedan but the coupe concept widened my eyes. Now, that's what I'm talking about. No GM has that persona outside of the Corvette.
 
Since this is a Caddy blog, I can tell you that none of their current cars strike me as a must have. Period. When the coupe becomes reality, I show up early at the dealer!
 
I applaud your exuberance in every case. You need to keep the pressure on GM to improve and stay cautious of complete commitment, IMHO. If you truly know more, you know that.
 
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OW
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Re: sls [sls002] by tlong
Jul 25, 2008 (8:39 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 25, 2008 12:28 pm)

so what about the toyota sludge problem
 
We were talking about the American cars and their reputations established before the 1990's, I don't think Toyota had sludge problems in those days.
 
And it's not like GM had - "well, the Vega was a lemon with sludge, but every other car of theirs is high quality, highly reliable, and people are just flocking to GM for the past 30 years because of such excellent engineering." People cite Toyota sludge or Honda transmissions, but frankly, those are the only significant two problems people have heard of with Honda/Toyota, the problems weren't that bad, and those Japanese companies quickly rectified the problems. Not true with Ford/GM/Chrysler. It's a pretty weak argument.
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Re: sls [tlong] by lemko
Jul 26, 2008 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Jul 25, 2008 8:39 pm)

They seem to forget about the Japanese car bodies that rusted with a vengeance in the winter and the interiors that cracked and split apart in the hot summer sun. My girlfriend's father bought a Datsun in response to the first 1970s fuel crisis and said it was underpowered and downright scary to drive in Philadelphia rush-hour traffic. It ended up throwing a rod after a few years.
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Re: sls [tlong] by sls002
Jul 26, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Jul 25, 2008 8:39 pm)

This is a Cadillac forum, so your posts are completely off topic as are marsha7's.
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Can GM Make Cadillac the Standard of the World Again? by claires HOST
Jul 26, 2008 (10:20 am)
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Re: Can GM Make Cadillac the Standard of the World Again? [claires] by sls002
Jul 26, 2008 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: claires (Jul 26, 2008 10:20 am)

I am not sure what it means to be the "Standard of the World" and I am not sure that Cadillac ever was, but for Cadillac to become the Standard of the World now (or for some other make to become that):
 
Cadillac would have to dominate the world luxury market (like Cadillac dominated the US market in the 50's and 60's) and GM would also have to dominate the world market (with at least 40% of the world market). I don't see any manufacturer doing this in the near future. For Toyota (and Lexus) to do this would probably mean there would be only 3 major manufacturers left with the other two nearly bankrupt.

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