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Replying to: fintail (Jul 22, 2008 7:36 am) |
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 7:54 am) Probably not with the 535i. The weight difference alone out classes the STS with respect to handling performance and the resale value crushes the STS. At the end of ownership, price difference is nil. Just MHO. Regards, OW
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 7:54 am) The last time I saw an STS interior, which I admit was on an early model, I wasn't impressed, either. It seemed kind of plain, but not in that "hard luxury" old Germany way.
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When I said "Yuppies" I was really only referring to that age segment of those born in a certain time span, basically calling them a "generation"...no offense was intended in terms of their education, buying habits, attitudes, etc...just referring to a generation...sorry if I caused any emotional upset...   From the article: "They are certainly the best vehicles Detroit has ever built. Yet--as we all know--Detroit automakers have been fighting tough battle of "perception." Despite the overall goodness of what they are now selling, they have been battling a decades-old image problem of building crummy cars and trucks. Hey, this this a problem they created; no question about it." That is also the catch phrase "...best vehicles Detroit has ever built"...it was what was built over the last decades that causes skepticism of their products...the "image problem" of building crummy cars has been well earned...sure, some of the posters have kept their Big 3 creampuffs for decades, over 200K miles, and I am happy for you... But I believe it is undeniable that many folks, over the years, have been burned by a Big 3 car and have sought their transportation elsewhere and have apparently been happier with the import... Honda and Toy did not grow by accident, or people putting guns to the buyers to force them to buy Accords and Camrys...they grew because the buyers did not believe that American carmakers either built the right product or built the right product but poorly... Blame the union, blame GM management (V8-6-4???), blame no-caring dealers, but American buyers have deserted Big 3 products in droves, and they MUST have a reason, I doubt it was by reading Tarot cards... GM and Ford have a serious image problem, and the image is one of poor quality...they earned it and now must convince buyers that their product is not just competitive, but better... To tell me you are as good as Honda means Honda must be a good standard...whether I believe you or not is another story... I am one of those "Yuppies" (age designation) that, while I own Big 3 cars, still believe thatthey do not compare to my Hondas... I would LOVE to post here and tell you that the new Ford or Buick or Caddy I will buy "blew away my Hondas in quality"... I may not be a fan of the union (to put it mildly) but I want American cars to win...the big question is, do the American carmakers want to win on better quality or just snow us with an ad campaign that says "Buy American"...they must earn the business and I hope they do...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 22, 2008 6:59 pm) The facts are that the Japanese knew that American's viewed Japanese products as "carnival trinkets". So Honda, Toyota and Nissan knew that to be successful they would have to build the best cars possible and make them reliable. What really made them successful was the oil crisis in the early 70's. I really can't understand your obsession with the 8-6-4 engine which really was not significant in the big picture. The 4100 was a much bigger problem which you seem not to have any understanding of at all.
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 22, 2008 8:53 am) |
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 22, 2008 8:38 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 23, 2008 7:41 am) |
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 23, 2008 7:28 am) DETROIT - Toyota beat General Motors in worldwide sales in the first half of the year. Toyota Motor Corp. said Wednesday it sold 4.8 million vehicles between January and June, up 2 percent from the same period a year ago. General Motors Corp. says it sold 4.5 million vehicles in the same period, or about 300,000 less than Toyota. Not in sales anymore. Link below. The slide is only to grow. link title Regards, OW |
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| I don't have an obsession with the V8-6-4, but it is simply one of many GM products that makes one wonder if they ever tested it before producing it...along with the Vega engine, their orginal V6 engines where they removed the connecting rod nut and simply screwed the bolt inot the cast iron of the connecting rod, which caused the connecting rods to come apart and literally destroy the engine/crankshaft from within...maybe they should have known that a hardened steel bolt would not stay "torqued" when screwed into soft cast iron...it is stupid things like that that makes one wonder what is happening in the GM design department...ancient past???...maybe, but it set off a string of (IMO) junky cars that lasted decades...now, all of a sudden, we are to take GM at their word that they make our cars carefully???...have you ever heard about the boy who cried "Wolf"...that is GM today...they must earn our trust since they betrayed and violated it so much in the past, and now we have competitive alternate products to buy (Honda/Toyota) whereas in the 70s and 80s we did not, and the Japanese luxury divisions really did not gain steam until the Mid-90s, so Caddy and Town Car had no competition for some time...not any more... | |
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