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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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#5108 of 6098 My take on this luxury thing by m4d_cow Jul 21, 2008 (8:58 pm)
I dont think we should compare Cadillac to Rolls or even Bentley, they live in totally different class afterall.   Why dont we compare it to a more down to earth world class brands like Mercedes and BMW? Theyre both world standards too, in case anyone forgets
#5109 of 6098 Re: Host [m4d_cow] by steve_ HOST Jul 21, 2008 (9:01 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 21, 2008 8:49 pm) Want another?   This one is a bit more topical than Toyota/Subaru:   "It's no secret among those who follow the auto industry that the products that are currently coming out of Detroit, and/or about to come out of Detroit, are among the best vehicles in their respective market segments."   But there's that whole perception thing....   Detroit's tough uphill 'perception' battle suffers another hit (Straightline) Replies to this message: circlew (Jul 22, 2008 2:54 am)
#5110 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [sls002] by circlew Jul 22, 2008 (2:38 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Jul 21, 2008 1:20 pm) That is EXACTLY why the model is broken....costs are too high and the focus was on trucks. So, the truck company suffers in high energy cost environment not to mention labor costs.   I'd rather by a 135I GM (think Malibu SS) than a Cobalt (or a CTS) that gets 30 MPG. You can raise the price if the quality is there.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 6:29 am) lemko (Jul 22, 2008 6:45 am) fintail (Jul 22, 2008 7:36 am) sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 7:54 am) and 5 more...
#5111 of 6098 Re: My experience is different [lemko] by circlew Jul 22, 2008 (2:44 am)
Replying to: lemko (Jul 21, 2008 3:38 pm) Yes, the same engine. Who knows? Oil changed every 3,000 miles religiously. Car was quick and they liked it a lot but the disappointments regarding nagging brake problems and the head gasket linger in my family. My Mom now owns a 2001 BPA and it has been bulletproof. Great FE also 22 mpg.   I would have loved that car with a 425/425 V-8. Tune the suspension and you could have charged $40K back then! Waiting lists would have developed. The car rode fantastic.   Regards, OW
#5112 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [tlong] by circlew Jul 22, 2008 (2:47 am)
Replying to: tlong (Jul 21, 2008 8:03 pm) Nah, you would have deserved the salaries because you would have made MUCH better decisions.   Regards, OW
#5113 of 6098 Re: Host [steve_] by circlew Jul 22, 2008 (2:54 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jul 21, 2008 9:01 pm) I could,t have sais it better myself.   it just reinforces that decades-old perception that Detroit just doesn't get it--and never will get it...   Say what you will but I have a whole different feeing walking through a BMW dealer than a Caddy dealer. There is some real performing and luxurious steel on those floors.   I know you can e-buy a car these days faster than buying a $5 gallon of milk but you can't replace the feeling of touching a fine automobile.   GM doesn't have that anymore. Except with the Corvette! It's the only car brand that has been developed successfully from the last century by "The Biggest Car Company of ALL Time".   Regards, OW
#5114 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [circlew] by sls002 Jul 22, 2008 (6:29 am)
Replying to: circlew (Jul 22, 2008 2:38 am) The problem is that GM can't charge BMW prices for cars even if they are just as good as the BMW. GM does not have the reputation to charge those prices. The G-body (Lucerne, DTS) is probably as good as the E-class Mercedes, but would anyone pay that price level for a Cadillac much less a Buick? Replies to this message: lemko (Jul 22, 2008 6:45 am) fintail (Jul 22, 2008 7:36 am) sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 7:54 am) circlew (Jul 22, 2008 8:38 am) and 2 more... fintail (Jul 22, 2008 8:53 am) and 1 more...
#5115 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [sls002] by lemko Jul 22, 2008 (6:45 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 6:29 am) I don't see a problem with that. I don't want to pay E-Class prices for ANY car, including an E-Class.
#5116 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [sls002] by fintail Jul 22, 2008 (7:36 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 6:29 am) The only problem with that is most car enthusiasts see the FWD as a liability....and of course my local airport fleets aren't full of E-class. Those two factors do some harm. Replies to this message: sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 7:54 am) circlew (Jul 22, 2008 8:38 am) sls002 (Jul 23, 2008 7:41 am) and 1 more... fintail (Jul 22, 2008 8:53 am) sls002 (Jul 23, 2008 7:33 am)
#5117 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [fintail] by sls002 Jul 22, 2008 (7:54 am)
Replying to: fintail (Jul 22, 2008 7:36 am) The STS is RWD and probably better than the DTS. It is probably as good as the E-class or 5-series. Cadillac is trying to charge a high price for it, but, even though it is still cheaper than the Germans, the consensus is that the price tag is a bit too high. Replies to this message: circlew (Jul 22, 2008 8:38 am) sls002 (Jul 23, 2008 7:41 am) fintail (Jul 23, 2008 7:44 am) fintail (Jul 22, 2008 8:53 am) sls002 (Jul 23, 2008 7:33 am)

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