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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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#5103 of 6098 Re: My experience is different [circlew] by lemko Jul 21, 2008 (3:38 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Jul 21, 2008 12:21 pm) Are we talking about the same engine? That 307 V-8 is darn near bulletproof. My car has 157K miles on it and I never had to take the engine apart. It would take an extraordinary circumstance to blow a head gasket on that car.   As for a 4100-powered 1984 Fleetwood Brougham, I can believe it. I drove a 1983 model once with the 4100 and 0-60 could be measured with a calendar. It was, however, a very nice car.   I think that Cadillac should've stuck with the 425 V-8 from 1977-79 until a suitable alternative could be developed, just paid the CAFE fines, and told the eco-weenies where they could shove their Birkenstocks and granola bars. Replies to this message: circlew (Jul 22, 2008 2:44 am)
#5104 of 6098 It's all nice and good... by bumpy Jul 21, 2008 (6:58 pm)
to say that GM should have simply thumbed its nose at the government and continued to build smoggy gas guzzlers regardless of the political, social, and economic climate of the time. However, in doing so management would have been abrogating its fiduciary duty to the shareholders, and most likely would have been out on their bums in short order.   As for the Oldsmobile engine in those not-really-Cadillacs-anymore, they were understressed machines that held together well enough, assuming the guy on the line didn't decide to take his liquid lunch before he finished torquing down the head. Replies to this message: fintail (Jul 21, 2008 8:06 pm)
#5105 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [sls002] by tlong Jul 21, 2008 (8:03 pm)
Replying to: sls002 (Jul 21, 2008 1:20 pm) One of the long term problems that GM has had is how to make profits off the small cars. They have never been able to see them as anything but cheap cars to sell at no profit.   To the earlier post, this is the problem. With all of those SUV profits in the late 90's and early 2000's, you would have thought that management would diversify the product line a bit. How about investing that money into a *truly* competitive small car, small engine? Did they think oil prices would never go up? It looks like gross management incompetence to me. I wish I could be that bad and make those salaries... Replies to this message: circlew (Jul 22, 2008 2:47 am)
#5106 of 6098 Re: It's all nice and good... [bumpy] by fintail Jul 21, 2008 (8:06 pm)
Replying to: bumpy (Jul 21, 2008 6:58 pm) Seems like more damage was done to shareholders by making the low quality products instead.
#5107 of 6098 Host by m4d_cow Jul 21, 2008 (8:49 pm)
Thanks for the link, Steve. Replies to this message: steve_ (Jul 21, 2008 9:01 pm) circlew (Jul 22, 2008 2:54 am)
#5108 of 6098 My take on this luxury thing by m4d_cow Jul 21, 2008 (8:58 pm)
I dont think we should compare Cadillac to Rolls or even Bentley, they live in totally different class afterall.   Why dont we compare it to a more down to earth world class brands like Mercedes and BMW? Theyre both world standards too, in case anyone forgets
#5109 of 6098 Re: Host [m4d_cow] by steve_ HOST Jul 21, 2008 (9:01 pm)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 21, 2008 8:49 pm) Want another?   This one is a bit more topical than Toyota/Subaru:   "It's no secret among those who follow the auto industry that the products that are currently coming out of Detroit, and/or about to come out of Detroit, are among the best vehicles in their respective market segments."   But there's that whole perception thing....   Detroit's tough uphill 'perception' battle suffers another hit (Straightline) Replies to this message: circlew (Jul 22, 2008 2:54 am)
#5110 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [sls002] by circlew Jul 22, 2008 (2:38 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Jul 21, 2008 1:20 pm) That is EXACTLY why the model is broken....costs are too high and the focus was on trucks. So, the truck company suffers in high energy cost environment not to mention labor costs.   I'd rather by a 135I GM (think Malibu SS) than a Cobalt (or a CTS) that gets 30 MPG. You can raise the price if the quality is there.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 6:29 am) lemko (Jul 22, 2008 6:45 am) fintail (Jul 22, 2008 7:36 am) sls002 (Jul 22, 2008 7:54 am) and 5 more...
#5111 of 6098 Re: My experience is different [lemko] by circlew Jul 22, 2008 (2:44 am)
Replying to: lemko (Jul 21, 2008 3:38 pm) Yes, the same engine. Who knows? Oil changed every 3,000 miles religiously. Car was quick and they liked it a lot but the disappointments regarding nagging brake problems and the head gasket linger in my family. My Mom now owns a 2001 BPA and it has been bulletproof. Great FE also 22 mpg.   I would have loved that car with a 425/425 V-8. Tune the suspension and you could have charged $40K back then! Waiting lists would have developed. The car rode fantastic.   Regards, OW
#5112 of 6098 Re: Would'nt you know... [tlong] by circlew Jul 22, 2008 (2:47 am)
Replying to: tlong (Jul 21, 2008 8:03 pm) Nah, you would have deserved the salaries because you would have made MUCH better decisions.   Regards, OW

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