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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
6098 messages, Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM
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COOTER: I have no thoughts on that in Mississippi except to wonder why... When I saw this (I can't remember where) I was disappointed. As an American, I'd like to think we are up to ANY challenge, ala WW2. I don't believe that they have to be union (or not) to build a quality product, I just believe it helps to stick together to make sure you aren't taken advantage of. I don't agree with banding together to "Stick it to the man", but I also think that we have an obligation to stand up for ourselves when we feel wronged, as well as stand behind others we see wronged. |
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 21, 2008 9:50 am) We know for example that GM's gross sales were about $180 billion in 2007 and sales were about 4 million. that averages out to $45,000 per vehicle. but probably need to account for world wide sales. In 2006 sales were 207 billion on 9.1 million vehicles world wide = $22,800 per vehicle. So the minimum price tag should be $25,000    One of the long term problems that GM has had is how to make profits off the small cars. They have never been able to see them as anything but cheap cars to sell at no profit. I think that this has been an accounting problem of sorts. I think one thing they wanted out of the Saturn investment was accounting that would show a profit.
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 21, 2008 12:21 pm) As for a 4100-powered 1984 Fleetwood Brougham, I can believe it. I drove a 1983 model once with the 4100 and 0-60 could be measured with a calendar. It was, however, a very nice car. I think that Cadillac should've stuck with the 425 V-8 from 1977-79 until a suitable alternative could be developed, just paid the CAFE fines, and told the eco-weenies where they could shove their Birkenstocks and granola bars.
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to say that GM should have simply thumbed its nose at the government and continued to build smoggy gas guzzlers regardless of the political, social, and economic climate of the time. However, in doing so management would have been abrogating its fiduciary duty to the shareholders, and most likely would have been out on their bums in short order. As for the Oldsmobile engine in those not-really-Cadillacs-anymore, they were understressed machines that held together well enough, assuming the guy on the line didn't decide to take his liquid lunch before he finished torquing down the head.
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 21, 2008 1:20 pm) To the earlier post, this is the problem. With all of those SUV profits in the late 90's and early 2000's, you would have thought that management would diversify the product line a bit. How about investing that money into a *truly* competitive small car, small engine? Did they think oil prices would never go up? It looks like gross management incompetence to me. I wish I could be that bad and make those salaries...
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Replying to: bumpy (Jul 21, 2008 6:58 pm) |
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Thanks for the link, Steve.
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I dont think we should compare Cadillac to Rolls or even Bentley, they live in totally different class afterall. Why dont we compare it to a more down to earth world class brands like Mercedes and BMW? Theyre both world standards too, in case anyone forgets 
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 21, 2008 8:49 pm)  This one is a bit more topical than Toyota/Subaru: "It's no secret among those who follow the auto industry that the products that are currently coming out of Detroit, and/or about to come out of Detroit, are among the best vehicles in their respective market segments." But there's that whole perception thing.... Detroit's tough uphill 'perception' battle suffers another hit (Straightline)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 21, 2008 1:20 pm) I'd rather by a 135I GM (think Malibu SS) than a Cobalt (or a CTS) that gets 30 MPG. You can raise the price if the quality is there. Regards, OW
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