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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

6098 messages,  Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

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Re: Mark of... [cooterbfd] by circlew
Jul 18, 2008 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 18, 2008 9:27 am)

Now, fast forward to today, and the luxury of Cadillac is far from ANY standard around the world. The difference back then was a heck of a lot smaller.
 
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OW
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Re: Mark of... [circlew] by cooterbfd
Jul 18, 2008 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 18, 2008 9:39 am)

The difference back then was negligible, based on the fact that many were coach -built.
 
The difference today is that Caddy is trying to re-establish themselves in the luxury car market. Had we not had an oil crisis, and Caddy decided to build the Sixteen.....
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Re: Mark of... [fintail] by aldw
Jul 18, 2008 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 18, 2008 9:01 am)

Cadillac was enough of a world standard to be better than Rolls in reliability and ease of repair, the Rolls being better primarily in the NVH department (which is where they earned their reputation).
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Re: Mark of... [aldw] by sls002
Jul 18, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Jul 18, 2008 10:30 am)

About 1960, give or take, the Rolls's reliability compared to the Cadillac Eldorado Brougham, or the Mercedes 600, was far better than either of the two upstarts.
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Re: Mark of... [aldw] by fintail
Jul 18, 2008 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Jul 18, 2008 10:30 am)

But this was in like 1908, right?
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Re: Mark of... [fintail] by sls002
Jul 18, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 18, 2008 9:01 am)

The question is: what is the basis for the "Standard of the World". Cadillac's advertising theme was based on winning the Dewar Trophy for "Standardization". Cadillac was for many people, the car to own in their golden years, in the 60's. This is probably what led to the phase, "the Cadillac of this or that".
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Re: Mark of... [fintail] by aldw
Jul 18, 2008 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 18, 2008 10:43 am)

Up to the 1950's the Cadillac was the more reliable vehicle quite notably, it must be said that American manufacturing to that point was the literally the standard by which the rest of the world looked towards, especially the Japanese. This was particularly true in terms of # of defects vs production volume.
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Re: Mark of... [aldw] by circlew
Jul 18, 2008 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Jul 18, 2008 11:17 am)

...Garbage.
 
The horror. The horror. Everything that was wrong, venal, lazy and mendacious about GM in the 1980s was crystallized in this flagrant insult to the good name and fine customers of Cadillac. Spooked by the success of premium small cars from Mercedes-Benz, GM elected to rebadge its awful mass-market J-platform sedans, load them up with chintzy fabrics and accessories and call them "Cimarron, by Cadillac." Wha...? Who? Seeking an even hotter circle of hell, GM priced these pseudo-caddies (with four-speed manual transmissions, no less) thousands more than their Chevy Cavalier siblings. This bit of temporizing nearly killed Cadillac and remains its biggest shame.
 
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OW
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Re: Mark of... [circlew] by aldw
Jul 18, 2008 (4:41 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 18, 2008 11:31 am)

Save your insults for someone who cares , anyone who knows the history of automobiles would understand how good American manufacturing was, that was the system that won a World War with more reliable production than anyone short of the Soviets were putting out.
 
 Besides, how does 1980's quality have anything to do with a 1950's product comparisions, eh?
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Re: Mark of... [circlew] by aldw
Jul 18, 2008 (4:56 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 18, 2008 11:31 am)

Some food for thought:
 
With GM in the lead, 1950s cars got bigger, more luxurious and more powerful through the '50s. But they also became more reliable, safer and easier to drive. The American car of the '50s was probably the best for the money in the world.

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