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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Mark of... [fintail] by cooterbfd
Jul 18, 2008 (8:54 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 18, 2008 7:58 am)

But here, it was the standard....The Cadillac of automobiles (OK it wasn't a "Duesy"). I found this clip from a Time magazine article from 1934. It seems even Rolls Royce produced cars for the common man:
 
Rolls-Royce of America, Inc., founded nine years later with U. S. capital, and British control, began producing cars in 1921. Even before Depression, the makers found that many a well-to-do U. S. businessman, financially able to own a Rolls, hesitated to buy one for fear of appearing unduly swanky in so luxurious a car (average price: $18,000). Rolls-Royce hastened to blast away this sales resistance with advertisements boldly captioned: To the Man Who is Afraid to Let His Dreams Come True. But during Depression the number of such fearful men grew so great that Rolls-Royce sales since 1931 fell off over 50% to $926,000.
 
"Last week, after four years of Depression deficits, Rolls-Royce hit upon a brand new idea. President John S. Inskip put on display in Manhattan a hybrid 'luxury" car, the Brewster "Cabriolet de Ville," with which he hoped to develop a new market. It had a Brewster body, a Ford chassis, a Ford V-8 engine. Price: $3,500. President Inskip had wangled a contract out of Henry Ford to supply engines and chassis in bulk. At the Springfield, Mass. plant of Brewster & Co. Inc., onetime famed carriage makers, now wholly owned by Rolls-Royce, the chassis were to be lengthened and partly reshaped to fit Brewster bodies."
 
Not to mention, RR used coachbuilders extensively, just like Cadillac did. Considering the difference in prices, I guess you would have to say that RR was (and is) in a class all by themselves.
 
The article says that the avg price of a Rolls was $18,000, whereas those V-16 Caddies were between $6-9,000 (unknown if that included coachwork).
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Re: Mark of... [circlew] by aldw
Jul 18, 2008 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 18, 2008 7:30 am)

The landed aristocrats in the US preferred Packards, with Pierce-Arrows and Peerless among them, but in terms of performance Duesenberg was the American Ferrari of its day, besting the Rolls-Royces and Bugattis of the same period. Cadillac was best in terms of mechanical reliability and manufacturing, as well as better transmissions, due to GM's economic muscle. Any of these vehicles, though were fit for royalty and were purchased as such.
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Re: Mark of... [cooterbfd] by fintail
Jul 18, 2008 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 18, 2008 8:54 am)

Exactly, it was the standard in the US - with Packard and Pierce Arrow up there for a time, too.
 
Not many Brewster's were built, it was kind of a desperation move. I do seem to recall Charlie Chaplin owned one...I guess that's worth something. And by the decade Caddy would have lower priced cars too.
 
If one is to be the world standard, is price an issue?
 
I think those prices were for Fleetwood/Fisher bodied cars, other custom bodies would be more.
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Re: Mark of... [fintail] by cooterbfd
Jul 18, 2008 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 18, 2008 9:01 am)

"I think those prices were for Fleetwood/Fisher bodied cars, other custom bodies would be more."
 
Fleetwood/Fisher were exclusive to the 8 and 12 cyl models. As far as the 16's, other coachbuilders were involved as well.
 
The 8's and 12's ranged in price from$3,295 to $5,800.
 
As for the 16's, my book quotes $5,700 to $9,800. BUT, just like other fine manufacturers of the time,many of these left the factory as a cowled rolling chassis, and the coachwork was custom, leaving many to be considered "one-offs", and their provenance may have to do just as much with their current values as anything. This is where i put Cadillac on par with many of the other manufacturers of the time. I'm sure if someone layed out 12,15,18 thousand for a car back then, attention to detail and craftmanship was top notch, whether the body rested on a Caddy, RR,MB,Packard, Pierce, or any other name.
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Re: Mark of... [cooterbfd] by circlew
Jul 18, 2008 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 18, 2008 9:27 am)

Now, fast forward to today, and the luxury of Cadillac is far from ANY standard around the world. The difference back then was a heck of a lot smaller.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Mark of... [circlew] by cooterbfd
Jul 18, 2008 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 18, 2008 9:39 am)

The difference back then was negligible, based on the fact that many were coach -built.
 
The difference today is that Caddy is trying to re-establish themselves in the luxury car market. Had we not had an oil crisis, and Caddy decided to build the Sixteen.....
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Re: Mark of... [fintail] by aldw
Jul 18, 2008 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 18, 2008 9:01 am)

Cadillac was enough of a world standard to be better than Rolls in reliability and ease of repair, the Rolls being better primarily in the NVH department (which is where they earned their reputation).
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Re: Mark of... [aldw] by sls002
Jul 18, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Jul 18, 2008 10:30 am)

About 1960, give or take, the Rolls's reliability compared to the Cadillac Eldorado Brougham, or the Mercedes 600, was far better than either of the two upstarts.
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Re: Mark of... [aldw] by fintail
Jul 18, 2008 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Jul 18, 2008 10:30 am)

But this was in like 1908, right?
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Re: Mark of... [fintail] by sls002
Jul 18, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 18, 2008 9:01 am)

The question is: what is the basis for the "Standard of the World". Cadillac's advertising theme was based on winning the Dewar Trophy for "Standardization". Cadillac was for many people, the car to own in their golden years, in the 60's. This is probably what led to the phase, "the Cadillac of this or that".

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